Should elite High School runners be drug tested??

This would be very interesting. Jakob should be tested as well. These times seem like a freak nature type thing, they will probably die off soon. But I would still be curious to see if any young athlete was caught with an illegal substance

Yeah, I think so.

They have tested both her and Jakob. Anytime a world record of any kind, including age-group, is set, the IAAF immediately tests them. She was tested when she ran 15:37 last indoor, Jakob was tested after his 3:31. Both passed, though it was just one test.

gahagand wrote:

They have tested both her and Jakob. Anytime a world record of any kind, including age-group, is set, the IAAF immediately tests them. She was tested when she ran 15:37 last indoor, Jakob was tested after his 3:31. Both passed, though it was just one test.

Then it wasn’t a random test, though. ?

Yes. Yes they should. I'm unsure at what level of race type, however. USA swimming has their act together in this regard (they're awful at protecting from predatory coaches however ). It's super unfair to look at a kid whose body matures early and jump to 'ooo, PEDs'.

One high school kid caught:

https://www.newsday.com/sports/high-school/swimming/jack-casey-swimming-ped-hauppaugue-1.20256919

And USA swimming policies. Major meets are national level, open meets. This means that a lot of high school kids have been tested:

https://www.usaswimming.org/utility/landing-pages/doping-control-group/doping-control

Yes. Then I would place 92nd instead of 93rd at big national level meets.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Then it wasn’t a random test, though. ?

The fact that they couldn't know ahead of time that they were going to break a world record makes it pretty random.

Are you people nuts? It's bad enough when every pro runner is accused, but high school is going too far. Do you believe that her parents and coach would want to give her PEDs? Would you be OK with it if she was your daughter?

She's a great runner, but Cain was comparable and without the injuries, Mary Decker might have been at a level above Cain. If you can't enjoy Touhy's success then I don't understand why you follow the sport.

58 year old hobby jogger here. 12 oz cup hot black dunks regular coffee or similar about 2 hours before to get toilet issues out of way, another cup half hour before race, this is as close to Alberto as I get. In the era of most kids being into SBUX, regulate that if you dare. Have plenty of reg water leading into race, so no hydration problems.

Deadstream wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

Then it wasn’t a random test, though. ?

The fact that they couldn't know ahead of time that they were going to break a world record makes it pretty random.

Not saying that they were doping, but if they had some idea before that they had a good chance at breaking a world record, they would stop taking PEDs long enough before the event in order for it to be out of their system, which might only take a few days. In that Kenyan doping documentary, the doc said that his EPO users never were caught.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Are you people nuts? It's bad enough when every pro runner is accused, but high school is going too far. Do you believe that her parents and coach would want to give her PEDs? Would you be OK with it if she was your daughter?

She's a great runner, but Cain was comparable and without the injuries, Mary Decker might have been at a level above Cain. If you can't enjoy Touhy's success then I don't understand why you follow the sport.

You're right, a high schooler would never do drugs.

which one of you idiots is going to pay for the tests?

jkljlkjkj wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Are you people nuts? It's bad enough when every pro runner is accused, but high school is going too far. Do you believe that her parents and coach would want to give her PEDs? Would you be OK with it if she was your daughter?

She's a great runner, but Cain was comparable and without the injuries, Mary Decker might have been at a level above Cain. If you can't enjoy Touhy's success then I don't understand why you follow the sport.

You're right, a high schooler would never do drugs.

Of course not because they might get confused between testosterone/ZMA/Testaboost/Alpha Male right ?

Of course some are but wrote:

which one of you idiots is going to pay for the tests?

That’s up to the state’s high school sports regulating organization (UIL in Texas) and USATF/AAU if it’s their sanctioned meet.

Testers need to show up at peoples’ houses during the summer and off-season to catch people by surprise. No time to hide the blood bags (or whatever shady stuff people find at GNC) now!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Are you people nuts? It's bad enough when every pro runner is accused, but high school is going too far. Do you believe that her parents and coach would want to give her PEDs? Would you be OK with it if she was your daughter?

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Per my last post, yes, high school parents, and/or students clearly take PEDs.

I've zero idea if the runner mentioned took PEDs, but presume she doesn't. This thread was about PED testing being warranted for HS age kids generally.

Hence why I shared what another HS sport was doing.

100% wish there was more and better testing for HS without a doubt. Both footlocker and Nike should for certain have testing starting at qualifying onwards.

I look at certain elite high school athletes and there meet selection (avoiding upper meets with testing) and I get suspecious from that alone.

That’s said I don’t think many do cheat, but I am extremely suspecious of two runners and have thought about another. But that’s literally out of 1000’s of runners out there.

so we let them cycle CERA during base and watch them taper off in the fall? nah. leave the kids alone.

1) You're looking at teenagers going through puberty and wondering why their bodies are changing?

2) If High Schoolers are doping, let them. The sheer amount of financial resources that would be necessary to implement "random testing" at the high school level makes it an impossible task.

Why does it matter they'll just get caught in college if they are doing anything bad.