RoJo do you think a fit Siffan Hassan an defeat a fit Almaz Ayana at 10000m?

Hmmm, didnt think so.

SO far no female have CURRENTLY shown the ability to hang with a FULLY FIT and healthy Ayana long push 5000m-7000m to the finish.

So because Rojo didn't answer your question in 1.5 hours, you decided to answer for him...Got it. Did it every occur to you that he might actually be busy?

I doubt Ayana will come back in kind of shape.

She did in 2017

VIPAM wrote:

She did in 2017

But that was with no hiatus. Things change more during an off-year than they do during a competition year, right?

Scrotevett wrote:

VIPAM wrote:

She did in 2017

But that was with no hiatus. Things change more during an off-year than they do during a competition year, right?

Full year off and also what was described here as a "reasonably serious knee injury that will keep her out 10-12 months."

That info from poster Hill Run was in July. He has tweeted Ayana's connections a couple of times and received replies.

Supposedly Ayana's stride is so imbalanced she is 20cm longer with one stride than with the other leg. Perhaps that lends itself to the injuries in recent years...calf and knee.

I could also understand why she's not an effective sprint finisher if she's got an issue like that.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Did it every occur to you that he might actually be busy?

LOL

Is they give Siffan the Secret Sauce, there will be no stopping her. Could definitely give a doped Ayana a battle for her money.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Supposedly Ayana's stride is so imbalanced she is 20cm longer with one stride than with the other leg. Perhaps that lends itself to the injuries in recent years...calf and knee.

I could also understand why she's not an effective sprint finisher if she's got an issue like that.

I seriously doubt her strides are that much different from each other, especially considering how smooth she is.

In any case, that would not likely cause her any particular injuries, nor keep her from having a better sprint finish.

I often purposely altered my stride lengths by including considerable trotting in my training, which was quite helpful.

She's not an effective kicker because she stated numerous times in interviews, "I hate speedwork". How smooth and long her stride is compared to 1500m she could be a food kicker. Considering she have run a 64 lap in the 2/3 of a 10000m she could save it for a kick but she doesn't.

dunes runner wrote:

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Supposedly Ayana's stride is so imbalanced she is 20cm longer with one stride than with the other leg. Perhaps that lends itself to the injuries in recent years...calf and knee.

I could also understand why she's not an effective sprint finisher if she's got an issue like that.

I seriously doubt her strides are that much different from each other, especially considering how smooth she is.

In any case, that would not likely cause her any particular injuries, nor keep her from having a better sprint finish.

I often purposely altered my stride lengths by including considerable trotting in my training, which was quite helpful.

Her strides are indeed very disparate lengths. For reference go to the IAAF website and search for biomechanics study London world champs. They have some very interesting info on there - especially Ayana- look up women’s 10000m

As for Ayana she will be back. I have been in regular Email contact with a very friendly and informative member of her management team. Ayana recently had surgery in Switzerland (knee) and is currently recovering back home in Addis. She is being assisted with intensive Physio and medical expertise. Her management team have received all the footage from the biomechanical study by Leeds University and are currently breaking it down to analyse Ayanas technique and if it is directly contributing to her injury load (calf last year, knee this year)

Hopefully they figure out a way to keep her healthy. So far a fully fit Ayana has proved unbeatable in the 10000m. When was the last time we saw any athlete that sets of at ridiculous (sometimes faster than WR pace) paces in Championship meets from 7000-8000m out?

Hill Run wrote:

Her strides are indeed very disparate lengths. For reference go to the IAAF website and search for biomechanics study London world champs. They have some very interesting info on there - especially Ayana- look up women’s 10000m

Studies can show all kinds of weird things but that doesn't mean they're correct, and if you know where the link is then just post the link. Good grief how difficult can that be.

Probably what happened was that the study was done, they started messing with her form, and BOOM, all of a sudden she'd injured. THIS is what happens all of the time, not that the form someone has been using all their life because it's the most efficient for them, all of a sudden goes haywire. No. It goes haywire because someone does a study and then tries to change it.

Please if you want me to be perfectly honest and both are athletes I like, they both ARE MORE LIKELY on something then not. I stopped competing because of how widespread the use was on my team and people getting busted everywhere in the 90's and early part 2000. No way I was going to train my butt off clean to get beat by people I knew 100% (by their own admission as friends I wpuldnt were dirty.

SOME were World Ranked #1 back then

Back to orginal topic Siffan vs fit Ayana in the 10000m?

Yeah but honestly there are alot of athletes dirty even in the U.S.A

If Ayana can get back CLOSE to top form she will break everyone if she goes at 3000m or before meaning she presses from over 7000m to go. AYANA near top form and no doubt Hissan will be running for a medal just not Gold.

dunes runner wrote:

Studies can show all kinds of weird things but that doesn't mean they're correct, and if you know where the link is then just post the link. Good grief how difficult can that be.

Probably what happened was that the study was done, they started messing with her form, and BOOM, all of a sudden she'd injured. THIS is what happens all of the time, not that the form someone has been using all their life because it's the most efficient for them, all of a sudden goes haywire. No. It goes haywire because someone does a study and then tries to change it.

Studies like that have made a huge impact on swimming. Countless swimmers have changed their form based on high tech stroke and efficiency analysis. Track and field is late to the game and obviously there will be resistance to something new. Same thing in golf when the launch monitors came out and it was immediately obvious that many of the long held theories had been flat wrong in terms of optimum height and spin. Many guys stuck with their old drivers and angle of attack until the ones embracing the new findings were blowing it dozens of yards past them.

Regardless, from my understanding the stride study was not available and known to Ayana's team until after Ayana was injured. I don't believe they changed anything that led to the injury. That would really be a reach.

Athletes get injuried all the time some more than others and return to their normal form more often then not. So chances are we will see Ayana doing her normal 10000m tactcs in the near future.

One sign of a poor thread is when about half the posts are by the OP.