Thomas Staines

His parents were British Olympians in the 5000m and 4x400. He seems to be the real deal.

zxcvxzcv wrote:

His parents were British Olympians in the 5000m and 4x400. He seems to be the real deal.

How did CSU Pueblo get him?

Isnt CSU Pueblo a new program?

He just dropped another second.

2018 Music City Distance Carnival

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#35 MEN'S 800M ELITE RESULTS

FINALS

PL Athlete Team Time Splits HPL

1 STAINES, THOMAS CSU Pueblo 1:45.57

52.19 53.39

(52.19) (1:45.57) 1 (1)

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He just dropped another second.

2018 Music City Distance Carnival

Nashville, TN

6/1/2018 - 6/2/2018

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#35 MEN'S 800M ELITE RESULTS

FINALS

PL Athlete Team Time Splits HPL

1 STAINES, THOMAS CSU Pueblo 1:45.57

52.19 53.39

(52.19) (1:45.57) 1 (1)

This Staines kid has an impressive trajectory.

He's starting to remind of Murphy.

45.xx 400 & 1:45xx 800 is getting close to the d1 studs.

So is he Brit or American?

Runner1218 wrote:

So is he Brit or American?

It scares me that people like you are actually out driving on the roads. PLEASE use condoms.

Murphy has never run 45.x for an open 400m, not even close. This guy is a completely different beast. Murphy is a lot stronger at the longer distances. Staines has only run 28 minutes for 8k, Murphy has run 24 minutes for 8k and 30 minutes for 10k. Staines' PR's drop off after 800m. Granted, he's much younger and has a lot of time to develop, but my guess is right now his training is much more similar to guys like Brazier and Solomon than Murphy. Excited to see what he does, but his future right now lies no farther than one mile whereas Murphy has the potential to medal at worlds/Olympics from 800-3k through 2024. Staines is a "long sprinter", Murphy is a mid-d guy.

The only weakness in Staines is his form. He hips are locked up and he has such a shuffle-like stride for the 800m. Shame he didn't inherit his father's strong gait. It's also interesting where his genetic ability caps off... he's horrible over 5km and 8km cross country. But some nice Coe-like range from 400m to Mile. 45-4:05 is no joke.

I agree. He gets away with it because of his height and power. If he sorts that out, the guy will be a white Rudisha. He will probably break 4 for the mile eventually, making him the fastest 400m to ever do so. He has a 45.98 for 400m. Serious speed! He has run 4:05 for the mile indoors, which can’t be a easy being 6’04”. His 400m time will get him on the British 4x400m team. He’s only 20 and just filled out into his adult body. He’s only just now realizing the gifts he’s inherited from his parents. A serious talent!

Union Jacked wrote:

I agree. He gets away with it because of his height and power. If he sorts that out, the guy will be a white Rudisha. He will probably break 4 for the mile eventually, making him the fastest 400m to ever do so. He has a 45.98 for 400m. Serious speed! He has run 4:05 for the mile indoors, which can’t be a easy being 6’04”. His 400m time will get him on the British 4x400m team. He’s only 20 and just filled out into his adult body. He’s only just now realizing the gifts he’s inherited from his parents. A serious talent!

I'm not sure he would make the relay team. His 45.98 was at altitude and there are other sprinters in the UK who are faster. He would likely be on the reserves.

Rooney, Hudson-Smith, Rabah Yousef are 44.x guys, then Cam Chalmers (young also) and Dwayne Cowan run 45 mid, and then Lee Thompson who ran 46.2 indoors.

He's up there, but it's difficult for a 400/800 runner in the UK right now. 7 men have broken 1:46 already this year and 5 are under 46. Peak season here is July/August.

He also just ran 1:45.57 with only a 1.2 second positive split. That tends to indicate that he could have run closer to 1:45 flat with a 2 second positive split. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 4:05 come down a lot, quickly. The xc times are very surprising, especially considering that he is training at altitude and so should have much more endurance. He must be training very low miles fast and a lot of sprinter training. The question who is comparable is a good one. It seems right now that 400-800 guys would be the best comparison. Take three 800m Americans with strong 400s, Donavan Brazier, Clayton Murphy, and Boris Berian. Brazier has run a 45.9 4x400m split, at the least but his pr's in the open are 47.02 outdoors and 46.91 indoors. Murphy has split 45.4, and Berian has run the open in 46.93, back in 2011. Their 800m pr's are all within .6 of each other, Murphy 1:42.95 or so, Berian 1:43.34, and Brazier 1:43.55. Murphy and Brazier were both quite good at xc, though the latter only ran in high school. Currently, Murphy has run far better times at the mile (and 1500 converted) than Brazier's 3:59i mile, but the way Brazier closed in a mile in December suggests to me he can run low 3:50s as well. Berian's range doesn't seem to extend to the mile. So, it looks to me like Brazier and Murphy are a lot more similar to each other than we've thought and Staines is more similar to Berian but considerably faster at the 400m right now, almost a second faster in the open. If Staines does get that mile time down under 4, I could see him running 1:43, and he might even do it this year with the right competition. That is a super talented 20 year old.

Five guys is not a full relay pool. Plus Rooney getting rather long of tooth.

HARSH! ?

T.S wrote:

HARSH! ?

CSU-Pueblo? Really?

Well , at least the state prison is nearby.

The only way is up for this young stallion as long as he doesn’t get hit by the sun. #TrustTheProcess #SAP

Why wrote:

zxcvxzcv wrote:

His parents were British Olympians in the 5000m and 4x400. He seems to be the real deal.

How did CSU Pueblo get him?

Isnt CSU Pueblo a new program?

Well he only ran around 1:53 in high school, so Div I’s weren’t too interested. However, he came to running late in high school and, given his pedigree, they should have been more interested.

CSU-Pueblo is a newer program but they’re really establishing themselves quickly. I read that they have an automotive program as a major that attracted Staines and another stud Paul Roberts who was a sub 15 high schooler and Footlocker finalist also from Colorado.

If it ain't broke... don't fix it.

Saw Staines run for the first time at the D2 NCAA Championships Outdoors. Wow. Crazy how fast he runs with that stride (shuffle).

The program at CSU-Pueblo is a very good one, especially considering their limited resources and scholarships. I believe between Paul Roberts, Staines, and Derrick Williams, among others I am leaving out, that they've got a tremendous core there. Not sure how much eligibility everyone has left, but if he can keep those guys healthy...watch out.

Well that comment is a bit unfair isn’t it