Informal poll: Is it the general opinion of this board that Usain Bolt is/was not clean?

MelonHead wrote:

Informal poll: Is it the general opinion of this board that Usain Bolt is/was not clean?

Heart says he was clean, head won't allow it.

of course bolt was dirty as they come.

but he could bell be the fastest guy without roids, epo, peptides, the rest.

when drug testing came to jamaica, the fast times stopped all round.

except one lady especially who is pushing the envelope and will surely be busted soon.

now it is south africa and botswana that are suddenly full of sub 10 and sub 45 second 400 guys.

ethiopia and kenya are still rampant.

the russians never just accept that every body is dirty, which is the reality, until recently, and they just gave lip service to the testing, which pretty much everybody does,

the us, britain, canada are the biggest hypocrites, in that they've reaped the rewards of PEDS for decades, and now the poor countries athletes want to make a buck, it is no no no.

meanwhile the next generation of PEDs are here, and the poor countries might be last to take advantage, so you'll have all these great western results, with the Bro Joes' applauding, only to have them call these guys cheaters five years from now.

Rash-putin wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaMKbNrX0

jesse owens? 200m 20.3 on dirt, compare that with 20.12 commonwealth 2018 200m result, with the best the "team clean" jamaica could offer. or rather team "toned it down".

Jamaica got, what? third in the 4 x 100 m. the reason no one showed? could it be drug testing in the middle of the preparation for the all important european circuit?

once you take out the shoes and track surface, you're left with no progress what so ever in this instance.

few guys treated track as a pro thing back in the day, and their training was pure fuckery.

the drugs they could get their hands on were not the greatest, like the cocaine preferred by Ruth.

MelonHead wrote:

Informal poll: Is it the general opinion of this board that Usain Bolt is/was not clean?

Heart says he was clean, head won't allow it.

I think he’s the most talented sprinter to ever live.

And I think he is a protected doper.

wineturtle wrote:

YAM, I say, yams

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

The entire group of Glen Mills fell absurdly after 2014.

Bolt

Blake

Daniel Bailey

KBC

Jason Young

Warren Weir

Kerron Stewart

Mario Forsythe

Ricardo Chambers

Jermaine Gonzales

Etc, etc, etc...

Ben L Wrong wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

YAM, I say, yams

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

The entire group of Glen Mills fell absurdly after 2014.

Bolt

Blake

Daniel Bailey

KBC

Jason Young

Warren Weir

Kerron Stewart

Mario Forsythe

Ricardo Chambers

Jermaine Gonzales

Etc, etc, etc...

Bolt fell off so absurdly he won double gold in Worlds and Olys after 2014.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

YAM, I say, yams

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

The entire group of Glen Mills fell absurdly after 2014.

Bolt

Blake

Daniel Bailey

KBC

Jason Young

Warren Weir

Kerron Stewart

Mario Forsythe

Ricardo Chambers

Jermaine Gonzales

Etc, etc, etc...

ya, that is it.

the whole country can't sprint anymore from one year to the next.

just like the wattage of the entire tour de france went up with EPO in a single year, like .

just like the chinese with no pedigree what so ever had a dozen women shatter records out of the blue,

and then immediately go into oblivion overnight.

just like you had the morocco, algeria, spain produce the best distance runners and then fade from oblicion, except for macdaddy, who's on everyone's radar, just like everyone knew ramzi was on turbo juice.

just like the finns were doping blood and probably more, with a dozen guys in cross country and an assortment of elites along with viren breaking records, and overnight the entire country dropped off the map.

just like you had the canadians string of top guys .....ben, surin, baley, mccoy, ... which was the basis of the next generation of the jamaican program..

etc.etc.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

YAM, I say, yams

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

Not that I want to defend these guys too hard, but 27/28 is pretty old by sprinter standards, and Blake had to get surgery on his hamstring.

MurderDub wrote:

Ben L Wrong wrote:

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

The entire group of Glen Mills fell absurdly after 2014.

Bolt

Blake

Daniel Bailey

KBC

Jason Young

Warren Weir

Kerron Stewart

Mario Forsythe

Ricardo Chambers

Jermaine Gonzales

Etc, etc, etc...

Bolt fell off so absurdly he won double gold in Worlds and Olys after 2014.

9.58 to 9.77? 19.19 to 19.6? I'd say yes.

Don't overlook the long usage benefit. Roids prevent injuries.

Bolt was injury prone before 2007/2008. Just remember that.

And I'm not saying that he wasn't the GOAT. You can win almost every major title running 9'7s and 19.6s.

El Keniano wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Not just this board, but pretty much most losing athletes.

* losing WESTERN athletes.

So what do you say about Radcliffe again? Are you ready to say she is the greatest runner of all time? Super clean too?

Or how about about Marita Koch and others?

Ben L Wrong wrote:

MurderDub wrote:

Bolt fell off so absurdly he won double gold in Worlds and Olys after 2014.

9.58 to 9.77? 19.19 to 19.6? I'd say yes.

Don't overlook the long usage benefit. Roids prevent injuries.

Bolt was injury prone before 2007/2008. Just remember that.

And I'm not saying that he wasn't the GOAT. You can win almost every major title running 9'7s and 19.6s.

I'm not arguing that Bolt is or is not doping. All we can do is conjecture about that and that gets boring. Bolt ran 19.55 in 2015. He ran 9.8 into a headwind at the Olys the following year. He also ran 19.8 while clowning in the semis. In 2005 at 19 years old, he was leading the 200 final at Worlds coming down the home stretch before he pulled up with an injury. He was objectively a super elite sprinter before and after the time period that you cite.

Dirty. Drug testing in Jamaica was a joke and everyone knew it.

Even if he was dirty he is still the fastest man ever to live. Keep in mind athletes put their bodies on the line for our entertainment, and risks for enlarged athletic heart is even greater if you take steroids. As americans we HAVE to reserve judgement it is in our constitution. If there is a reasonable doubt Bolt is clean, he is to be considered clean. If Powells name is crossed off for doping, I didnt read that but a 6 3 man running that fast for 60 meters running under 10 seconds more times than anyone ever and you arent still impressed if he took some steroids. if that is the case then EVERYONE is on roids and its no different than a spitball in baseball. First and foremost show the athletes that make the sport great respect. I didnt even want to bump this but if youre going to talk about doping make it interesting, how much is the benefit, what is the benefit acceleration or top speed, training harder? Not fun to read nothing but petty accusations.

If testing is a joke in Jamaica then its also a joke in America and Russia. It is a joke everywhere that we expect people to break 10 without doing anything everything and Bolt is still the fastest ever. can't take that away.

casual obsever wrote:

You are so negative, Subway. Bolt is as clean as the other world record holders, e.g. Ayana, Bekele, Coleman, Dibaba, ...

This is confirmed by the authoritative source IAAF.

+1. The definition of doping is if the iaaf says he is right (or the wada). either way, he's clean until wada or iaaf says hes not

LONGJACE wrote:

Rash-putin wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaMKbNrX0

jesse owens? 200m 20.3 on dirt, compare that with 20.12 commonwealth 2018 200m result, with the best the "team clean" jamaica could offer. or rather team "toned it down".

Jamaica got, what? third in the 4 x 100 m. the reason no one showed? could it be drug testing in the middle of the preparation for the all important european circuit?

once you take out the shoes and track surface, you're left with no progress what so ever in this instance.

few guys treated track as a pro thing back in the day, and their training was pure fuckery.

the drugs they could get their hands on were not the greatest, like the cocaine preferred by Ruth.

This entire speech was false, he says 1.5%, Owens was 20.1 ET at best, Bolt is 19.19, it is not even close.

Hitmonlee wrote:

Even if he was dirty he is still the fastest man ever to live. Keep in mind athletes put their bodies on the line for our entertainment, and risks for enlarged athletic heart is even greater if you take steroids.

Not correct it is widely believed that ancient aboriginal Australians were the fastest we know of so far.

Any current WR in a major event was set with the assistance of PEDs.

If you want to find a clean record, look at ones nobody cares about, e.g. fastest 50K run on a treadmill while wearing full SCUBA suit and carrying a bible.

MurderDub wrote:

This is a ridiculous subject to discuss. No one on this board can do anything but speculate on the issue based not on facts but on their own pre-conceived notions, biases, etc. Read through the posts. How many are anything other than a statement of pre-existing beliefs, baldly stated prejudices against Jamaicans, inferences based on the performance and actions of people other than Bolt, and unfounded statements about what people are and are not capable of based on no empirical evidence whatsoever?

Human diversity is an incredible thing and it’s what helped us come so far as a species. We have talented and untalented people. Athletic and unathletic. Then we have people that are incredibly stupid like yourself.

“baldly stated prejudices against Jamaicans”

I think you actually have to be stupid to think this. Your brain capacity and ability to reason must be so incredibly below normal to come up with garbage like this. They literally have 3000% more positive dopers per citezen then the next country. That is 30x MORE then the next country. If you don’t think that is good reason to have prejudice then I feel bad for insulting a mentally retarded person.

MurderDub wrote:

... In 2005 at 19 years old, he was leading the 200 final at Worlds coming down the home stretch before he pulled up with an injury. .

No. He wasn't leading. He may have medaled, possibly, but he wasn't even in second place when he pulled up.

wtfunny wrote:

MurderDub wrote:

... In 2005 at 19 years old, he was leading the 200 final at Worlds coming down the home stretch before he pulled up with an injury. .

No. He wasn't leading. He may have medaled, possibly, but he wasn't even in second place when he pulled up.

Correct, I'd agree with you. He could have gotten 3rd. There was a line of him and 4 others when he pulled up. He was on a par or just slightly slower than Gatlin and Gay, two known dopers. So these people with massive supernatural muscles doing unreal times, Bolt has these massive muscles, running really fast but somehow he is the only clean one.