Rupp Wins -- 59:47 in Rome

rojo how about you flip off. you like to joke around and pretend you don't hate rupp, but you do. We all know you are leading the USADA witch hunt against NOP. But not surprisingly its in shambles because your incompetent self is in charge

Imagine if this had been a bowerman tc guy, or shalane!!!!!!! you would have a splash page dedicated to them. But instead you just have to poke fun. Time to sell the site or move on, we are tired of you.

(here comes a big rebuttal that takes you an hour to compose. no one reads long winded posts anyways! Sad!)

Ruppster wrote:

Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential

I'm a Rupp fan (and suspicious) and, yes, he's a 2:09 marathoner. That said, you seem to have some issues.

I understand the suspicions, but the haters also seem to think he hasn't accomplished much in the sport and that's simply untrue. He's put together a spectacular career... Olympic medals, fast times, and he has never been afraid to race the top dogs.

2011 Tujuba Megersa (ETH) 59:58

2012 Philemon Limo (KEN) 59:32

2013 Wilson Kiprop (KEN) 59:15

2014 Aziz Lahbabi (MAR) 59:25

2015 Robert Chemosin (KEN) 59:37

2016 Solomon Yego (KEN) 58:44

2017 Guye Adola (ETH) 59:18

2018 Galen Rupp (USA) 59:47

Oh, man, I don't understand. Why isn't Rupp 4% (or more) faster than the course record?! I mean, he was wearing the magic shoes!

That is true. The turn did easily cost him four seconds as the course looked slick and he really slowed down on the turn.

But it wasn't a record eligible course anyway. I have no doubt that on a record eligible course with very fast conditions and racers from 59 to 59:30s, he would have destroyed the record.

He would make a decent pacer for Kipchoge's next sub 2 attempt.

Nike should hire him

Jk greatly overestimates hill effects, both up and down. This is about double compared to Daniels, who says 5.5 s aided, and is much mote of a trusted authority. How do you need a Physics major to calculate wind effect? It's basic trigonometry. If wind was 10 degrees south of east, and course is 45 degrees north of east, the wind is 55 degrees away from ideal. Cos(55) shows that they get just over half of the wind benefit. So, downhill was almost nothing, but wind could be a bit more than you think.

EPO is a hell of drug. Or hormone.

Ruppster wrote:

Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential

good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that

News flash-

First class Professional athletes make most of their money in advertising, not by prize money. Being a constant Boston and Chicago competitor, chickening out on Berlin and London could do you very bad in getting advertisers paying you.

Other than Nike, what advertiser is paying Rupp anything?

Even bigger newsflash... an American winning Boston is going to mean more in the US than an American winning London or Berlin.

News flash ruppster wrote:

Rupp wants the money like everyone else wrote:

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He’s making the best decision for himself and his family. Why would he not take the money & run?

News flash-

First class Professional athletes make most of their money in advertising, not by prize money. Being a constant Boston and Chicago competitor, chickening out on Berlin and London could do you very bad in getting advertisers paying you.

Advertisers like winners and the time isn’t as important unless it’s the world record or the national record.

A smart person would try to win as many major titles as possible with the least amount of effort or risk.

As I implied Rupp is not the best in the world and doesn’t need to race in London, Berlin etc... to prove it.

Let Kipchoge & Bekele run the fast times and duel it out in London & Berlin... and Rupp will meet them in Tokyo 2020. As a side note, it would be interesting to see how Farah does... he should be a fair proxy for Rupp in London.

The real competition at the 2018 Boston marathon is Shalane Flanagan versus Molly Huddle versus Jordan PTG Hasay.

USA women sweep Boston and take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

Oh yeah.

Why do people get so upset about calling Rupp a 2:09 guy? He's tried to be faster he just isn't yet and may or may never be.

exactly.

great race!

Ruppster wrote:

As long as he chickens and keeps going to those fixed 2 class american no pacers marathons, evading the big guns in Berlin and London, he’s not worth anything

Worth more than you.

Ruppster wrote:

Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential

No, but there are >$100,000 in appearance bonuses, which is more than you make in 2 years.

Rupp has been a winner at every level, H.S./NCAA/Post College. He has won races and even when he didn't win, he was almost always competitive and rarely bombed. He has been competitive in tactical races run fast when he needed to. If Rupp had run London and Berlin, no matter how fast he ran, without a doubt, people would be criticizing him for not running the U.S. marathons.

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Ruppster wrote:

Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential

good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that

Some comments in this thread put down races that are run in a tactical way. A classic example was the Rio Men's 1500. We've all seen races like that where, in the early part of the race, runners are practically jogging because nobody wants to take the lead. It's a bit infuriating, but that's what happens and all the competitors adjust to that. The finishing time might suck.

Now take an un-paced marathon that starts out in a similar way. Nobody takes it out at 2:04 pace, so everybody settles in to see what develops. As the race goes along, obviously the eventual winning time might not be 2:06 or 2:07. Does that mean those runners aren't 2:06 or 2:07-capable? Not really.

The men's marathon in Rio was won by Kipchoge in 2:08:44. Obviously, Kipchoge is only a 2:08 guy, right? No. The Rio race was run at a certain pace and nobody elected to go out and push it harder. Rupp ran 2:10 and took the bronze. Does that mean that all the other runners can't even run a 2:10? No, it doesn't.

So, Rupp has won the USA Olympic Trials marathon; he finished 3rd in Rio (against most of the world's best), he finished 2nd in Boston and won in Chicago.

Let's see..... Rupp has run 4 marathons and has been beaten by 3 people total. Do I have that right? That's not too shabby.

Perhaps if Boston offered time incentives, the lead pack might push harder from the start, but as it stands, the competitors want to win the thing, whatever the time will be.

Maybe somebody will "pull a Ryan Hall" at Boston and take it out at a really fast pace. Then we would see what Rupp can do. But if that doesn't happen, we should expect Rupp to go for the win.

I watched the Berlin marathon last year and found it lacked much drama until the final miles because there was no strategy. It was only "stay with the pacers as long as possible". That equates to fast finishing times but leaves a lot of good runners in ruins. Personally, not my cup of tea.