sub-47 400m & sub-3:32 1500m

Even fast middle distance runners rarely run a 400m in their prime. And then, it'll be like March ~5 months before they are refining speed

I don't know about racing 400 meters in March for 1500m men? Many sub-3:32 1500m men moved up to 1500m while in their twenties. I would think some of the sub-1:44 800/sub-3:32 1500 meter men would have raced official sub-47 400m while 800 meter specialist.

once a faster runner wrote:

There are roughly 105 sub-3:32 1500m men as of yesterday. I can only find one man with a sub-47 400m PB, and sub-3:32 1500m PB, S. Coe. I would have thought Steve Cram, Abdi Bile, Taoufik Makhloufi , Asbel Kiprop and Hassan Suleiman would also be sub-47 400m men. Are there any other OFFICIAL sub-47 400m & sub-3:32 1500m men than S. Coe?

Webb?

Just for curiosity, 47/3:32....

100 0:11.27

200 0:21.67

400 0:47.0

800 1:43.45

1000 2:13.56

1500 3:32.0

1-mile 3:49.58

3000 7:44.30

2-mile 8:22.44

5000 13:43.95

10000 29:45.64

half-mara 68:04.97

marathon 146:08.82

http://timescalculator.appspot.com

Ovett, like Ryun did sub 47 relay splits. Cruz only ever did 3:34. I would not be surprised if Coe was the only one. Peter Elliott perhaps or a Kenyan I've forgotten about.

Kaki has run sub 1:43 and sub 3:32 but doesn't have an official 400m time. Maybe he's actually strength based

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Ovett, like Ryun did sub 47 relay splits. Cruz only ever did 3:34. I would not be surprised if Coe was the only one. Peter Elliott perhaps or a Kenyan I've forgotten about.

Coe is indeed the only man to have officially run sub 47 and 3:32.

Ovett ran a sub 47 relay once only, and that was a 46.9 in August 79, which doesn't really convert to a sub 47 open; Coe ran a 45.5 and a 45.6 relay leg.

Ryun too only ran sub 47 once in the many relays he ran, that also being a 46.9 in 66, albeit a 440yds. His fastest in 67 was 47.0.

Cram and Elliott were nowhere near sub 47 ability.

Cram ran a 48.1 in summer of 85 in training.

Elliott's official pb was 48.2, but his coach once stated he ran a 47 mid in training!

None of the current sub 3:32 runners strike me as speedy enough to run a 46 open, though Kaki possibly could when he was running 1:42's and a 3:31.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Ovett, like Ryun did sub 47 relay splits. Cruz only ever did 3:34. I would not be surprised if Coe was the only one. Peter Elliott perhaps or a Kenyan I've forgotten about.

Barbosa only ran 3:37 but ran 45.9 & 1:43.09

reviving this observation

i knew Elliot had to be 48 flat at least, and probably 47 which you indicate.

make no mistake that 142 people can go 47x or better, all of them, including cram

make no mistake that if 1500 men ran the 400 at their peak many times their 400 times would be 1 or 2 seconds faster.

make no mistake that ovett with his 21.5 200m was capable of 46 low, though his training methods killed that.

Unfamiliar with the blocks and three command start keeps the 800>1500 folks out of the dashes

Gregory Konchellah, who became Yussuf Kamel ran 1:42 and 3:31. No doubt he could run 46.99.

Deanouk wrote:

Coe is indeed the only man to have officially run sub 47 and 3:32.

Elijah Manangoi has run 46.5, 1:44.8 and 3:28.80

For sure I don't know how credible this 46.5 hand time is, which also was set in Nairobi (1661m).

I don’t believe ovett had 21.5 ability. I’ve seen a lot of people suggest that time was a mistake as with his 100 PR of 11.5 and 400 PR of 47.5, 22.5 seems much closer in alignment. He may well have been capable of 22 low, but 21.5 seems too quick to me.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Ovett, like Ryun did sub 47 relay splits. Cruz only ever did 3:34. I would not be surprised if Coe was the only one. Peter Elliott perhaps or a Kenyan I've forgotten about.

whose crack are you smoking??!!

moran!!

everyone knows.

RYUN ~44.0!!

46.55 400m split (converted from 46.9y) on a muddy track with a 3:55 mile in his legs from earlier that day absolutely suggests Ryun was sub 47 capable. He ran to the level of the competition in the relay, it being his tertiary event.

Clayton Murphy in a few years? He’s split sub 46s and I think he could eventually bring his 1500 down to 3:32, assuming he moves up in distance.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

46.55 400m split (converted from 46.9y) on a muddy track with a 3:55 mile in his legs from earlier that day absolutely suggests Ryun was sub 47 capable. He ran to the level of the competition in the relay, it being his tertiary event.

It may suggest he had the ability to run sub 47 for 400m, but he never actually did.

For a start the 46.9 was hand timed, so more like 47 flat FAT. That is with a running start, so it was more like a 47.7 from a stationary start. That’s worth 47.4 for 400m.

Secondly, Ryun ran many 400/440 relay legs, including his best year of 67, yet never ran sub 47 in any other race.

Ryun’s Relay efforts often didn’t result in victory for his team, so surely he’d have run his fastest to try and pass those infront of him? Yet still, never broke 47 again in a relay.

Is running a mile earlier in the meet that significant?

If so, then what does Coe’s 45.6 relay, while stumbling at the handover and starting from almost a stationary start, just 90 mins after front running a 1:44.0, worth?

Benis wrote:

Clayton Murphy in a few years? He’s split sub 46s and I think he could eventually bring his 1500 down to 3:32, assuming he moves up in distance.

I've heard rumors of Clayton Murphy running a sub-46 400m relay leg. He's a young guy. Everything should be well documented. Do you know the date of Murphy's sub-46 400m relay leg? Murphy having a 3:51.xx on mile PB shows sub-3:32 1500m is possible.

This thread has some splits. Note that the fastest one recorded was a 45.9 outdoors and 46.9 indoors - I think that indicates close to sub 47 speed.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7334124