Competitor.com article claims Rupp's Trials Marathon totally changed LetsRunners' opinions of him

Why can people be proud to be BLACK, but not proud to be WHITE?

So La Raza has nothing to do with race?

Completely disagree. Always expected Rupp to transition well to the marathon. An event that take meticulous planning and "science" was alyways one a Salazar trained Rupp should excel at.

And did it make me respect him more, hell no, and given the gray area Oregon project lives in there's nothing he could do performance wise to change that.

Good article. Count me as one who loves Ruppy now. He is true 🇺🇸 USA

I think the thing that bothers me the most about ROJO's comment is that it completely ignored the fact the previous poster didn't like "African born" Meb. It also discounts African or African born runner's accomplishments when we are always touting white runners over them for doing much less. Not to mention, I don't like any insinuation that Meb is less American because of how he got to this country. That is irritating. And yes, Rojo, it is racist.

Geez i never intended to start a race discussion here. But hey, this is Letsrun.

I guess I worded my original response poorly. What I meant was Meb was born at altitude and Rupp was born in Portland, so I view Rupp as kind of an underdog in this sense and was cheering for him to pass ALTITUDE-BORN Meb as top American marathoner.

It's interesting how reasonable people with the same information can come to different conclusions about what's ethical. My take is that in coaching his athletes on how to obtain and use prescription medications for their performance-enhancing side effects that Salazar has stepped over the ethical line. This isn't all about supplements. I don't see the manipulation of inhalers and thyroid medication as being in the gray area. It's outright cheating.[/quote

Its not cheating if you have a legitimate medical need for it, as Rupp appears to have.

People often write very mean things on the Internet with little regard for those affected. In reality the victim of the attacks is usually a good person and well accomplished person. People want to rip down accomplished individuals and scavage for a prime excuse to do so (example: news article about EPO). They won't care to rip down nobody's. Perhaps the cyber bullies feel better about themselves when they rip down a high up person, kind of psychologically bringing that person down to their own level for once. People don't psychologically like to feel inferior. They are insecure about it. Especially weak people. These are the kind who launch cyber attacks. I've always rooted for Rupp and been happy for his successes. The people who get jealous of his successes and joy from his failures are sad and empty individuals.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Its not cheating if you have a legitimate medical need for it, as Rupp appears to have.

IMO it's not cheating if you have an under-active thyroid and take thyroid hormone but it's been suggested that Salazar manipulates the dosage of Rupp's thyroid meds leading up to competitions, offered Rupp's meds to Kara Goucher, and coached Lauren Fleshman on how to get prescribed the highest dose of an asthma inhaler when she didn't have asthma. Do you think that behavior is ethical or do you doubt the reports?

zodd wrote:

Geez i never intended to start a race discussion here. But hey, this is Letsrun.

I guess I worded my original response poorly. What I meant was Meb was born at altitude and Rupp was born in Portland, so I view Rupp as kind of an underdog in this sense and was cheering for him to pass ALTITUDE-BORN Meb as top American marathoner.

bullshit

Big Red wrote:

Is Salazar the only one pushing up to the edge here? Oh, please. I think not.

Here is your equation:

If others do something wrong = It's ok for me to do something wrong

100%

test2 wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Its not cheating if you have a legitimate medical need for it, as Rupp appears to have.

IMO it's not cheating if you have an under-active thyroid and take thyroid hormone but it's been suggested that Salazar manipulates the dosage of Rupp's thyroid meds leading up to competitions, offered Rupp's meds to Kara Goucher, and coached Lauren Fleshman on how to get prescribed the highest dose of an asthma inhaler when she didn't have asthma. Do you think that behavior is ethical or do you doubt the reports?

I doubt everything that starts with the term "its been suggested". Its either proven to be accurate by a reputable source (IE the MD prescribing), or its hearsay, nothing more. And Saladbar can't manipulate anything, has to be done by an MD/DO/RNP or PA, who can risk losing his/her license if the medications are prescribed for anything other their intended use. Additionally, prescribed thyroid hormones are not "quick acting", takes quite some time for higher doses to take effect. Also, what kind of PED effect do you really think it has? The answer is "none".

rojo wrote:

fdfsdfasdfasdf wrote:

At least your racism is front and center.

Ok, let's assume for a moment that your assumption is true that when this guy says "American born" he really means white.

It's interesting to me how only white people get in trouble for being proud of their race.

The World baseball classic is going on right now. Manny Machado was born and raised in the US. He's American. Who is he playing for? The Dominican Republic.

Why? I don't think it's any different than a white guy being proud of his race

When Leo won his medal, he did a victory lap with the MExican flag. I think Meb used to run with the Eritrean flag.

These guys are all Americans but when they take that flag around the track, aren't they basically saying "Hey I'm proud of my heritage/race?"

It's like when whites say why isn't there a white history month? Well, because white history has not been marginalized or ignored by history books. Just like their race and heritage has not been discredited by another majority race. There is nothing interesting or curious as to why a minority race that has been left out of the loop has to overstate their presence just to get the same recognition as a white person.

faulty logic wrote:

Big Red wrote:

Is Salazar the only one pushing up to the edge here? Oh, please. I think not.

Here is your equation:

If others do something wrong = It's ok for me to do something wrong

Here is your equation

Scapegoat an unlikeable is greater than address systemic doping equals problem solved

I have a feeling that the fact asthma medication may/may not improve respiratory function in those even without asthma makes us all suspicious of drug use. It seems a lot of elite endurance athletes take them too, I wonder if that much hard breathing just makes the lungs sore or something. I feel that Galen's peaked in the shorter distances, Salazar noticed this, and now the last kick to the Olympic podium is the Marathon, as a lot of elite runners do after a few years of competitive mid-distance racing (is elite 5k races mid-distance?).

Like a few posts here, endurance/stamina at a given pace can be trained into someone much easier than trying to increase someone's maximum velocity. That's why marathons are popular here on LetsRun, because even with mediocre times, like an 18:50 5k, if you do enough mileage and stamina workouts you can become efficient enough to run a BQ marathon time. Not everyone can break 5sec. for 40yd or 60sec. for the quarter-mile. More people that post here have or have been interested in running marathons than sprint decent times, so that's LetsRun's infatuation with the Marathons.

Maybe Galen's not the best at racing tactically at the world level once the race gets down to 5k and below. I think his move to the marathon is a good move to prolong his career and truly see his potential in this sport. Maybe his asthma medication gives him an EPO like benefit, which goes by the rules only because he truly does have asthma. Maybe a lot of elite runners have exercise induced asthma from the 2-3hrs. of training a day. I'm not a medical doctor though, so don't quote me on that last sentence.

I disagree. I still don't like him or any Salazar associated athlete. The more medals or races they win the more I suspect that they doing a LOT more than just operating in the "gray area".

somebloke wrote:

elfboy is the worst poster kid for american long distance running..

A few years ago you would hear the word "elf" earlier in the posts.

otter wrote:

Legal or not after reading the list of what Salazar's athletes were taking during the Olympics made me sick. Assuming it was all legit it's still not ethical when coaches are searching for substances that are not yet banned to feed to their athletes. It's shameful!

The baton being snatched from Meb. I don't think so.

Go away cuck. Take your hatred of whites somewhere else, you self-hating brainwashed punk.