At each water stop Galen Rupp chucked off his old soaked hat and grabbed a new one from his coach. Rules?

D.Katz wrote:

I read through the messages on this board and have offered factual information when appropriate. This is one of those times.

Many have discussed this issue and everyone is entitled to their opinion but the fact still remains that this was reviewed and approved by the IAAF.

thanks for your inside info.

now I have another question. where the other runners aware of this practice in a timely manner? had they decided to do the same, could they still find time to organise it? or was this allowed sort of last minute by the IAAF?

I am sceptical. NOP = gray area.

somebloke wrote:

D.Katz wrote:

I read through the messages on this board and have offered factual information when appropriate. This is one of those times.

Many have discussed this issue and everyone is entitled to their opinion but the fact still remains that this was reviewed and approved by the IAAF.

thanks for your inside info.

now I have another question. where the other runners aware of this practice in a timely manner? had they decided to do the same, could they still find time to organise it? or was this allowed sort of last minute by the IAAF?

I am sceptical. NOP = gray area.

typo

*were the other.

Does anyone really think changing hats provided an advantage in the race? I certainly don't think it provided any material advantage to any of the competitors.

umm wrote:

Don't try to steal my name.

Athletes have been using cooling helmets for a while - just look at Gladiator style Ashton Eaton. Are you asking for his DQ?

Should divers be allowed in a hot tub between jumps? Should a runner be allowed to throw water on your head? If a hat is legal everyone can do it. This isn't like trying drugs on your son to see how the effects will last.

Stealing your name? Grow up! I hadn't even seen any of your previous posts.

what a joke wrote:

Regardless of the rules, Rupp showed once again that he is a spoiled brat.

And you showed that you are a retarded basement dweller.

This is a practice that has been allowed at major international competitions for a long time. You see it more at race walks where there is a closed loop (1 or 2k) and the athletes see support team every lap.

I observed the refreshment station at the 5k(15/k25k) point and many teams were providing similar support. Common sense needs to be applied.

It is the responsibility of the athlete and coaches to now what is allowed. They should ask if they have questions.

As with many other rules, we could always do a better job being more specific in the rule book. I will propose this at our next meeting.

Special testaboost lined hats. Micro-dosing genius.

As long as it doesn't trigger an anti-doping rules violation (either by testing or by inspection), I think it's OK.

handing Rupp a Segway, on which Rupp coasts to an easy and undoubtedly triumphant gold medal.

You do realize that the top speed of a Segway is only 12.5 mph in ideal conditions?

Anyway, they are prohibited by other rules.

wejo: I was skimming this thread and saw this post and thought 'I think like this guy'. Turns out its from my twin brother.

"When two men in business always agree, one of them is unnecessary."

170+ posts about Galen Rupp's cap?!?

Jeez folks, get a life!

thisisconfusing wrote:

Does anyone really think changing hats provided an advantage in the race? I certainly don't think it provided any material advantage to any of the competitors.

You miss the point entirely. It is about a single individual allowed a special chilled hat exchange every 5k and no one else. It is a material advantage unless every other athlete is allowed to do the same.

Wowzers! wrote:

170+ posts about Galen Rupp's cap?!?

Jeez folks, get a life!

What are you so afraid of?

^ was thinking the same thing. The best part is that there are grown adults on this thread throwing childlike temper tantrums over an athlete's new hats. I picture an angry hobby jogger stomping his feet while anonymously posting, "it's just not fair!".

The hats were within the rules. The hats were cleared by officials. Can this thread end already?

P2 wrote:

^ was thinking the same thing. The best part is that there are grown adults on this thread throwing childlike temper tantrums over an athlete's new hats. I picture an angry hobby jogger stomping his feet while anonymously posting, "it's just not fair!".

The hats were within the rules. The hats were cleared by officials. Can this thread end already?

Completely agree. It's a total non-issue IMO and if anything was a smart move to maximize performance that should be applauded even though I doubt it made any significant difference.

One thing, though, that I haven't seen mentioned: isn't it in the best interest of athletes to stay cool for safety reasons as well? We all know marathon running (or any serious running, but especially marathon running) can be dangerous to the musculoskeletal system, but isn't it also true that the overheating of the body for that long could potentially have negative effects on the brain in extreme conditions?

Honestly, I know far less about the marathon than I do the track distances/races, so maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but overheating can be a serious medical issue and I personally think that if a guy wants some ice to make sure his freaking brain doesn't melt at the end of his marathon, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Toughness is a huge part of distance running, but distance running can still be just as much a test and display of toughness while we utilize new ideas and technology to keep health and safety risks at a minimum.

Again, say what you want about inhalers or anything else but this is a total non-issue for me and I am really pumped about Rupp's performance.

notconfusingatall wrote:

thisisconfusing wrote:

Does anyone really think changing hats provided an advantage in the race? I certainly don't think it provided any material advantage to any of the competitors.

You miss the point entirely. It is about a single individual allowed a special chilled hat exchange every 5k and no one else. It is a material advantage unless every other athlete is allowed to do the same.

They were allowed to do the same. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they weren't allowed. Everyone keeps forgetting Meb changed hats too.

You make it sound like Salazar went and cleared it with officials and also made had the IAAF officials announce that no one else could do so.

Intergalactic wrote:

P2 wrote:

^ was thinking the same thing. The best part is that there are grown adults on this thread throwing childlike temper tantrums over an athlete's new hats. I picture an angry hobby jogger stomping his feet while anonymously posting, "it's just not fair!".

The hats were within the rules. The hats were cleared by officials. Can this thread end already?

Completely agree. It's a total non-issue IMO.

It is an issue because fresh refrigerated hats are not within the rules.

Officials did not clear the hats. Can you provide a link to an approval that says that that was give to every competitor in the race? No, you cannot.

Fair is Fair wrote:

notconfusingatall wrote:

You miss the point entirely. It is about a single individual allowed a special chilled hat exchange every 5k and no one else. It is a material advantage unless every other athlete is allowed to do the same.

They were allowed to do the same.

Can you provide a letter to all athletes in the race proving your claim?

It's an issue wrote:

Intergalactic wrote:

Completely agree. It's a total non-issue IMO.

It is an issue because fresh refrigerated hats are not within the rules.

Officials did not clear the hats. Can you provide a link to an approval that says that that was give to every competitor in the race? No, you cannot.

Can you provide a link that says they did not? No you cannot. Why? Because it was and is a non-issue.

Officials did not clear the hats. Can you provide a link to an approval that says that that was give to every competitor in the race? No, you cannot.