Are "flat-earthers" an actual thing?

Detection of motion is always relative to something else. Motion of the earth, or counter-motion of the universe is just changing the observer.This burden of proof of a globe earth was largely met several centuries before the birth of Jesus. Scientists during the Age of Enlightment have only further refined what Aristotle already showed.There is a significant burden of proof on flat earthers to show that a flat earth, without gravity, without satellites, and with unexplained orbits of the sun and the moon, defying laws of density and bouyancy, provides a better explanation of all historical observations to date.Disproving a flat earth is as easy as buying any direct to home satellite receiver (e.g Direct TV), pointing the antenna to the sky, and watching TV.

Legit question wrote:

Anonymous posting is fun wrote:

According to who?

Absolutely correct, sir. The Earth has never been proven to be moving. However, observe the hysterical reaction of ball believers to the very mention of these facts; anger, ad hominem and straw man arguments.

The burden of proof lies with those claiming to know the Earth is a ball and not upon those who doubt with good reason.

Every experiment ever designed to detect the motion of the earth has failed to detect earth's motion and/or distinguish it from relative counter motion of the universe.

When circumnavigating East to West, or West to East, do planes constantly steer their nose left or right?Starting to expose the heliocentric model? It's about time amateurs got on board.

Rayo. wrote:

When you travel in a plane does it constantly have to dip its nose down?

This is far from over bud. The amateur weather balloon experiments are starting to expose the heliocentric model, this is only the start.

Earth is not a globe. The earth is not moving. Water behaves the same all over the world. When its unlevel it flows like a river. When it's level it's flat like the oceans and horizon. Pseudo-science of gravity and the heliocentric model has finally ran its course. Jennie's been let out of the bottle, You've been exposed!

My followers continue to grow. Just remember this globetards:

Nothing in science is ever settled. Everything in science is a theory until a better one comes along that most closely matches observations. The scientific method demands that a different point of view be considered as it has the potential to change the existing model. If science refuses to entertain alternative views then it is no longer science, but a religion.

The Earth is flat.

Let me guess. You voted for Trump.

NASA is busted big time. Fake, fake, fake. Try defending this globetards.

https://youtu.be/4ttvPBxT9dA

Legit and DFF are the same person.

The basic wrong turn made by cosmology was when Newton convinced people gravity could point in directions other than down.

If you look at a globe you should instantly notice, if you are objective, that there is hardly any land in the southern hemisphere. You would also see a massive icicle on the bottom. In the northern hemisphere there is lots of land and only a small, seasonal ice buildup.

Observing the other planets in their orbits is further evidence. Nearly all are in the same plane orbiting around the middle of the sun. This is the same as what happens if you whirl an object on a string around your head, circles in the middle. This proves that the sun has a top and a bottom. Gravity points down parallel to the sun's north-south axis.

Since Earth is 22 degrees off, gravity varies based on season and time of day, but people never connect the dots. If you feel sluggish on a run, odds are gravity's vector is pointing slightly backwards, and if you run especially fast, you might be getting a 22% forward boost.

If I click on the youtube link, does "Flat Earth A hole" get money?Is that what this Flat Earth movement is really all about?All the flat earth scientists seem to be "youtube scientists".

Legit question wrote:

NASA is busted big time. Fake, fake, fake. Try defending this globetards.

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Nice story. Do you mean your followers are just children, and are now starting to grow into adults?This is precisely the main problem with the flat earth theory -- that it doesn't more closely match all global observations. It's not even close. We need to deny a lot of other observations to make flat earth plausible. We need to deny gravitation theories accepted for centuries that explains many everyday observations (density only works because of and within a gravitational theory); we need to deny the existence of television satellites, despite the observations of 100's of millions of homeowners who point their antennas at the sky, and the observations of amateur astronomers who can see even geo-synchronous satellites with a telescope; we need to deny the influence of atmospheric refraction, which tend to "flatten" observations, especially over calm lakes on a warm, clear day, despite having seen rainbows, all kinds of mirages, and heat haze; the list is endless.The flat earth theory was considered by science, and rejected nearly two thousand years ago, because it did not more closely match observations. The beginning of the end of the "flat earth theory" started perhaps as early as the 5th century BC, with the beginning of astronomical science. This is because astronomical and physical observations suggested, and were better described by a globular earth. Aristotle, when defending his ideas of a globular earth, described how the tendency for things to go towards the centre, would form a globe by compression and convergence; how southern constellations would appear higher when travelling south; how the shadow of the earth on the moon was round.Once astronomy was escalated to an observational science, flat-earth theory was only kept alive by religious forces.Here is a good historical look at terrestrial and celestial globes in antiquity, well before the creation of NASA by a nation that did not exist for more than a thousand years:https://archive.org/details/terrestrialceles01stevWe can see on page 7, that Crates developed the first terrestrial globe around 150 BC, even suggesting the existence of other large land masses (North and South America, and Africa).

Legit question wrote:

My followers continue to grow. Just remember this globetards:

Nothing in science is ever settled. Everything in science is a theory until a better one comes along that most closely matches observations. The scientific method demands that a different point of view be considered as it has the potential to change the existing model. If science refuses to entertain alternative views then it is no longer science, but a religion.

The Earth is flat.

Instead of making YouTube videos, why doesn't the flat earth committee hop on a damn boat and sail to the outer ice rim. Shoot a video and prove the earth is flat. Clearly this will never happen, so let's continue to debate. Please clarify the whole satellite tv situation.

if the Earth is a globe, certainly anyone can show me the evidence of how water can come to rest in the shape of a curve? Nobody could show you such evidence because none exists. This one fact alone destroys the globe myth. Getting upset because someone destroys your indoctrination isn't an argument.

Globe defenders, go ahead and perform your own experiment to prove a globe.

You bear the responsibility of proof, not the globes. If all these conspiracy theorists who are so passionate about a flat earth we're legit, they would hop on a boat and sail to the edge to prove their theory. Pretty simple really, but they would rather make stupid YouTube videos than show real proof.

Google "satellites in orbit" you will get nothing but CGI cartoons. Don't believe me? Do it for yourself and prove me wrong. If satellites are real, then why all the fake images????

Geostationary satellites are fake. An object cannot orbit a flat Earth while remaining stationary above it. GPS is based on LORAN (Long Range Navigation) technology. LORAN was developed in 1942. Satellite TV is based on transmission towers, DS-3's, base stations, fiber optics, cable lines both land based & under the oceans.

Globe earthers rely on 3 items:

1. NASA images- "It's photoshopped but it has to be" Robert Simmons NASA artist

2. Public Indoctrination- "we know because a scientist said so"

3. Popular opinion- "everyone believes it, so it must be true"

Flat this wrote:

You bear the responsibility of proof, not the globes. If all these conspiracy theorists who are so passionate about a flat earth we're legit, they would hop on a boat and sail to the edge to prove their theory. Pretty simple really, but they would rather make stupid YouTube videos than show real proof.

Wrong. Do a globe proof experiment yourself.

Satellites are problematic to explain on a flat earth, as there is no known physics which would explain their unusual orbits. TV satellites are easily measured (two home owners in longitudinally separate locations can do it) to orbit at about 23,000 miles above a spherical earth, while the sun and moon are said to orbit about 3000 miles above the flat earth.

Flat this wrote:

Instead of making YouTube videos, why doesn't the flat earth committee hop on a damn boat and sail to the outer ice rim. Shoot a video and prove the earth is flat. Clearly this will never happen, so let's continue to debate. Please clarify the whole satellite tv situation.

Well, you are not very precise:1) If you pour water into a curved glass or bowl, it comes to rest conforming to the shape of the glass or bowl.2) If you take water in the form of snow, you can pack it with your own hands into the spherical shape of a ball.3) If you look over any lake or ocean, or other large body of water, and take precise measurements, this is the evidence you need to see that it conforms to the shape of a globe earth.Show us the evidence of how water can come to rest in a flat shape. You cannot because none exists. This one fact alone destroys the flat-earth myth.

Legit question wrote:

if the Earth is a globe, certainly anyone can show me the evidence of how water can come to rest in the shape of a curve? Nobody could show you such evidence because none exists. This one fact alone destroys the globe myth. Getting upset because someone destroys your indoctrination isn't an argument.

Globe defenders, go ahead and perform your own experiment to prove a globe.

1) If you pour water into a curved glass or bowl, it comes to rest conforming to the shape of the glass or bowl.

- water seeks its flatness, as in the surface of the water. Not referring to the container's shape.

2) If you take water in the form of snow, you can pack it with your own hands into the spherical shape of a ball.

- are you seriously that stupid? Yes you are.

3) If you look over any lake or ocean, or other large body of water, and take precise measurements, this is the evidence you need to see that it conforms to the shape of a globe earth.

- Water does not take a convex shape. Show me an experiment or evidence that indicates that. You have nothing.

They send more satellites in space than cameras. Actually sending a camera up to take close up pictures of satellites represents a monumental technical challenge, and expense, while bringing little value. They do send cameras up with spy satellites, observation satellites and mapping satellites, but they take pictures of the earth, the stars, or even other planets -- Magellan was a satellite that mapped Venus.

I actually don't believe you so I'll take your challenge and do it for myself. Oh looky here. Using google, I quickly found four sites of real non-CGI non-NASA pictures of satellites:

Hey, I even found one of Magellan, that also nicely shows the curvature of the earth viewed from space:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_(spacecraft)#/media/File:Magellan_deploy.jpg

Oops, sorry this one is from NASA:

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-spacecraft.html#magellan

Every flat-earther can make similar observations for themselves, with a suitable camera and a clear sky — observations which can be easily explained by a spherical earth, and cannot be explained better by a flat earth theory. If you need help locating a satellite, try this site:

apps.agi.com/SatelliteViewer/?Status=Operational

Well then geostationary satellites proven to exist orbiting the earth must prove that the earth is not flat.

Satellite TV is another common observation easily explained by a spherical earth, and cannot be explained better, or at all, by a flat earth theory. Your land based theory is easily disproved by two homeowners. Hundreds of millions of non-NASA satellite TV customers point their stationary parabolic antennas up to the sky, and not at any ground based towers. Two flat-earthers in separate longitudes can easily measure the position, and distance, of the fixed source of the TV-signal, by simply knowing the pointing angle of the antenna needed to receive the TV-signal, and the precise location of that antenna.

LORAN used ground antennas whose location is measured with precise accuracy, using the coordinates of a geodetic model (oblate ellipsoid) of the earth.

An interesting feature of LORAN was the increased range at night, as the signal bounced off the ionosphere, allowing it to go beyond the line of sight horizon.

During the day, the ranges was 500-700 miles, while at night it was 1200-1400 miles. How does the flat-earth theory explain that observation better?

Has anyone taken pictures of undersea cables? How do we know that these cables connect continents? All I've seen are cartoons and artists renditions and photos showing very short segments of cable. Don't believe me -- google it for yourself.

What about Aristotle, who died 2000 years before the creation of NASA? He did not see any NASA images, but relied on observations of the stars with the human eye, at a time when there were no scientists saying so, and it was generally not something everyone believed.

Today we can rely on observing satellite TV, one where we’ve installed and pointed the parabolic dish ourselves, and taking amateur photos of objects in the sky, without relying on NASA, scientists, or popular opinions.