Remember when "atheist" had a negative connotation?

So it wasn't God, is that what you are saying?

I am curious to know why a few coral lumps are shown in video while reports talk about bones etc. Where are they?

Mrs_Rossii_ The_ Real_1 wrote:

So it wasn't God, is that what you are saying?

I am curious to know why a few coral lumps are shown in video while reports talk about bones etc. Where are they?

Hi Mike, changing your handle already?

Bible and slavery wrote:

Additional peer reviewed journals:

http://www.maik.ru/abstract/physatm/3/physatm4_3p482abs.htmhttp://www.academia.edu/3807039/How_did_Moses_part_the_Red_Sea_-_Science_as_salvation_in_the_Exodus_traditionhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060582731?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0060582731

I'm confused. So your defense of the Bible as truth is a series of articles stating that Moses did not, in fact, part the Red Sea, but was instead the timely witness of a strange scientific effect?

" Mineralised Bone - One of many found at the crossing site (above centre). This one Tested by the Dept. of Osteology at Stockholm University, was found to be a human femur, from the right leg of a 165-170cm tall man. It is essentially 'fossilized' i.e. replaced by minerals and coral, hence cannot be dated by radiocarbon methods, although this specimen was obviously from antiquity."

The fellow behind all of this incredibly reliable research which is covered up by the grand scientific conspiracy apparently was guided in his research by angels who came down and talked with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKCRvzTJyc

This stuff is just great!

;) wrote:

Bible and slavery wrote:

Additional peer reviewed journals:

http://www.maik.ru/abstract/physatm/3/physatm4_3p482abs.htmhttp://www.academia.edu/3807039/How_did_Moses_part_the_Red_Sea_-_Science_as_salvation_in_the_Exodus_traditionhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060582731?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0060582731

I'm confused. So your defense of the Bible as truth is a series of articles stating that Moses did not, in fact, part the Red Sea, but was instead the timely witness of a strange scientific effect?

I am stating that God parted the Red Sea through Moses. I linked some peer reviewed journals here. That is all. I don't expect scientists to adequately explain a supernatural event, scientifically.

There may be more peer reviewed journals out there that have other explanations.

Some Things Are Funny wrote:

The fellow behind all of this incredibly reliable research which is covered up by the grand scientific conspiracy apparently was guided in his research by angels who came down and talked with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKCRvzTJyc

This stuff is just great!

There are more videos from others on the Red Sea crossing if you care to look. That is not the only one. Just as there are a few peer reviewed journals from more than one scientist.

Bible and slavery wrote:

;) wrote:

I'm confused. So your defense of the Bible as truth is a series of articles stating that Moses did not, in fact, part the Red Sea, but was instead the timely witness of a strange scientific effect?

I am stating that God parted the Red Sea through Moses. I linked some peer reviewed journals here. That is all. I don't expect scientists to adequately explain a supernatural event, scientifically.

There may be more peer reviewed journals out there that have other explanations.

So what did Moses do, if God parted the sea? Moses was just there?

If only God had continued to save the Israelites a few other times in history.

Exodus 14:21 (pick your favorite translation)

New International Version

Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

New Living Translation

Then Moses raised his hand over the sea, and the LORD opened up a path through the water with a strong east wind. The wind blew all that night, turning the seabed into dry land.

English Standard Version

Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

New American Standard Bible

Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided.

King James Bible

And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

Continuing forward with the Moses timeline, the next big events are going to Mt Sinai for the 10 Commandments and the alter for the golden calf. Two American explorers found the locations. They succeeded where archaelogists failed.

Documentary here:

http://youtu.be/71DP0T7FHjs

Bible and slavery wrote:

Continuing forward with the Moses timeline, the next big events are going to Mt Sinai for the 10 Commandments and the alter for the golden calf.

I'll bet you meant "altar" there--though "alter" is fun, too.

So why did God choose to save some Israelites that time, but other times let them die at the hands of their oppressors?

Bible and slavery wrote:

;) wrote:

I'm confused. So your defense of the Bible as truth is a series of articles stating that Moses did not, in fact, part the Red Sea, but was instead the timely witness of a strange scientific effect?

I am stating that God parted the Red Sea through Moses. I linked some peer reviewed journals here. That is all. I don't expect scientists to adequately explain a supernatural event, scientifically.

There may be more peer reviewed journals out there that have other explanations.

So as evidence for a supernatural claim, you post an article explaining a relatively mundane natural event? Yes, wind can move water. Good job.

It's like posting an article about rain and claiming it as evidence for the flood of Noah.

;) wrote:

So why did God choose to save some Israelites that time, but other times let them die at the hands of their oppressors?

i already addressed this topic several times earlier in this thread.

Bible and slavery wrote:

;) wrote:

So why did God choose to save some Israelites that time, but other times let them die at the hands of their oppressors?

i already addressed this topic several times earlier in this thread.

Not to be rude, but I don't have time to sift through 62 pages of this.

Bible and slavery wrote:

I don't expect scientists to adequately explain a supernatural event, scientifically.

This statement doesn't make sense if you unpack it. There is no such thing as a "supernatural event." If it occurs it is a "natural event." If it occurred, it could be "explained." You don't need to add the word "scientifically" because that is understood in the word explain, since that is part of what the scientific method does.

To explain it "scientifically" would mean that a theory, or at least a hypothesis, would be formulated using a)reason and b)evidence. If an event is beyond using reason or evidence to comprehend it, it is by definition a non-event.

If God supposedly poked his figure into the material realm, that is OUR realm, and we can comprehend it through the senses. There would be some kind of fingerprint that can be understand or at least approached through logic and evidence. This is possible since OUR realm operates under certain predictable laws and patterns. If God violated the laws/patterns of our physical world, that would be a contradiction on his part because an omnipotent being should have been powerful enough to create a universe in which this kind of intercession was not necessary. If he was omniscient, he would know this kind of intervention was necessary, and through his omnipotence would have fixed the wrinkle in the fabric that made the "supernatural" event necessary.

No offense but your 'logic' here is so full of holes it makes swiss cheese look rock solid by comparison.

Try harder or just give up. Posts like yours above make your side look bad (which I don't think is your intention).

So, B&S (ironic), you're saying that God used natural events to (help Moses) part the Red Sea? Why would he bother? Why not just part it himself? Why did he have to use the wind?

oops! wrote:

So, B&S (ironic), you're saying that God used natural events to (help Moses) part the Red Sea? Why would he bother? Why not just part it himself? Why did he have to use the wind?

It was a long fart from the holy chute.