Can my times get me into a d1 school???

hopefulfatty wrote:

mile 4:35 (soph track)

5k 16:50 (hilly) (second race of junior xc)

I'm not talking about now, but I'm talking like how much I'll have to improve (basically if it's possible to improve and what time to improve to). Not looking for the best d1 school out there, just maybe average/a little below

junior in HS

If you have no standards other than "D1", then, yes, your times will get you in somewhere.

The reality is that you should not expect scholarships to D1 even if you improve substantially. You'd have to be sub 4:15 this year to be actively recruited by a good D1 program. (XC doesn't matter unless you qualify for NXN or FL Nats.) Even then, you might get a small scholarship. Ex. $10K for a school that costs $60K+.

The good news is that most good D1 programs with let you walk on with a 4:20 / 9:20 by senior year.

So, if you're at 4:35 as a soph, you should be able to get to 4:20 or below as a senior.

After that, it all depends on what you do with it. Some guys thrive. Others wash out.

Alternatively, you could go D3 and use your running to get into a great school like Haverford, WashU, Williams, etc. That's an option that too few runners explore, in my opinion.

Good luck!

by my calculations you should get a full ride to stanford or vilanova.

aussieboiz wrote:

by my calculations you should get a full ride to stanford or vilanova.

Let's not get his hopes up......

hopefulfatty wrote:

mile 4:35 (soph track)

5k 16:50 (hilly) (second race of junior xc)

I'm not talking about now, but I'm talking like how much I'll have to improve (basically if it's possible to improve and what time to improve to). Not looking for the best d1 school out there, just maybe average/a little below

junior in HS

Here's the deal, if you are not sub 4:10 by this season, like others have posted, you are f*cked, but you also have to consider this too, you need good academics. As long as your SAT is 1550 and above and you got that 4:10 this year, you good.

There are a lot of D1 schools out there. 4:35 would probably be a star somewhere in D1. I randomly picked the Horizon League and looked at the last place team in their Conference Meet last year, which was Wright State. Wright State had a spread of 26:49 to 28:32 from 1-5. If all you want to do is run D1 you can find somewhere to run.

Alan

i went to a MAC conference D1 school and had a great college experience.my high school times: (35 miles per week max, probably more like 25-30 aver.)400m (open) - 50.3400m (split) - 49.8800m (open) - 1:58.3800m (relay split) - 1:57.21600m - 4:323200m - haha, 10:20ish sophomore year5k (two years of cross country as junior and senior) - 16:194.0 gpaMy parents paid $1000 or something for this program call College Bound Student Athlete, which mailed out my running 'resume' and some academic highlights to tons of schools. I was on the phone with 2-3 school coaches a night for a month or two during my senior cross country season. It went out to a bunch of schools and i got a sense of what i needed for myself in a coach, running program. for me, academics was definitely first when i was looking, so running was just a plus.i ended up running 4:03 in the mile before i graduated, 1:51 in the 800m and 24:20 in cross country. i beat out recruits who ran 1:52 and 4:14 in high schooli did this on 55-65 miles a week, because i couldn't handle mileagedon't expect a scholarship, but if you have speed, or low mileage or show some sign of potential, you have a good shot.best of luck!

hopefulfatty wrote:

mile 4:35 (soph track)

5k 16:50 (hilly) (second race of junior xc)

I'm not talking about now, but I'm talking like how much I'll have to improve (basically if it's possible to improve and what time to improve to). Not looking for the best d1 school out there, just maybe average/a little below

junior in HS

Great story. You must have worked hard.

My bet is you went to Akron. They have a great record of developing guys like you. And, I'm not just talking about Clayton Murphy.

As most have said, unless you are a girl, you should be able to run in college but your running will neither get you a scholarship nor improve your chances at attending academically selective institutions.

Don't feel bad, there are only about 100 junior distance runners in the entire country that will get admissions boosts to academically selective institutions from their running.

As several have said, once you consider the large number of D1 schools, there are more like 1000 junior distance runners that will get some kind of scholarship from their running, but that doesn't appear to include you unless you improve substantially.

As already noted, settling for whichever DI school will take you is probably not your best strategy. You're in luck if you happen to come across a place that suits you academically and has a team that you could be on, but that's certainly not a given. If you specify the type of college you're looking for in general (academic rigor, location, size), people might be able to suggest potential DII and DIII schools in addition to DI ones. Don't confine yourself to any and all DI schools that will have you without considering other factors. Like it or not, there's life after running on a team.

runner dad with advice wrote:

Alternatively, you could go D3 and use your running to get into a great school like Haverford, WashU, Williams, etc. That's an option that too few runners explore, in my opinion.

Good luck!

This is GREAT advice. Gotta be a very good student (I mean those top DIII schools won't take you with a 3.2 GPA and 26 ACT - really need to be closer to 3.7 GPA and 30 minimum though you might get lucky and get accepted with less stats than that) to be accepted to those great DIII schools.

WHY target them instead of a D1 that may or may not give you some scholarship money? Because if you make less than about $125,000 household income and get accepted to many of those great DIII schools that offer full financial need - see here -

- you will often get AMAZING financial aid -- MUCH better than you might get in a scholarship (unless you are a stud runner) to a D1 college.

There are some great programs at the DIII level that can help you be the best runner you can be. D1 for a junior who runs 16:50 doesn't seem like a solid plan. I know a kid at a D2 college who ran 15:51 as a senior, and he's the 4th best on that team...nice to contribute, but he's not the star there, and he ran almost a minute faster in high school than you have managed so far.

Get even under 16:30 and many good DIII programs will go to bat for you with admissions.

its always possible wrote:

i went to a MAC conference D1 school and had a great college experience.

my high school times: (35 miles per week max, probably more like 25-30 aver.)

400m (open) - 50.3[B/]

400m (split) - 49.8

800m (open) - 1:58.3

800m (relay split) - 1:57.2

If you can run a 50sec. 400m and are open to running the 1500m, yes a lot of coaches would be interested in having you walk on.

This guy was obviously under trained if he could run a 50 sec 400 and only a 1:58 800m.