Jackie Gleason's entire legacy should be tainted.

Conundrum wrote:

I kinda thought Ricky was rude and constantly intimidated Lucy too (although truthfully she was conniving sneak).

And a bit further back, George was a bit condescending to Gracie now wasn't he?

Punching a woman in the face- and you're comparing it to being condescending.

My point is-

If ppl laughed at a woman being punched in the face- then maybe we can quit crying today over harmless tweets & political incorrectness.

webby wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

Brutus would be arrested now for his physical aggression toward Olive Oil. He would have received more than a beat down from popeye but would have been behind bars.

(Popeye always represented the speech impaired segment of our population with dignity and class.)

What about the physically disabled segment? He was missing an eye, I think, which is why everyone taunted him with that nickname.

I don't think he was missing an eye. And I wouldn't think he would've sang his name to conclude every skit. For you to bring this up is beyond ignorant. My point was brought up by ESPN- & funny how no one called in saying it was wrong.

Was Never Going To wrote:

Viewers knew Ralph was never gonna hit Alice.

You try and defend Sterling by invoking Gleason, OP? You have no sense whatsoever.

This.

If you're too young to have seen the show, at least read the wikipedia article, "Ralph is very short tempered, frequently resorting to bellowing, insults and hollow threats. Well-hidden beneath the many layers of bluster, however, is a soft-hearted man who loves his wife and is devoted to his best pal, Ed Norton."

The Ralph character lived at a time when a working-class guy like him might have punched a wife as sharp-tounged as Alice, but Ralph didn't. Deep-down he was good guy who loved his wife. The writer's used it as a device to show his humanity, not to get a laugh out of domestic violence. The fact domestic violence was referenced on the show at all says more about the time then it does about the morals of the show's producers.

Next up on LRC, we'll review Huck Finn.

ttc wrote:

My point is-

If ppl laughed at a woman being punched in the face- then maybe we can quit crying today over harmless tweets & political incorrectness.

Nobody is going to force you to feel offended by a tweet. Maybe you should stop crying about the fact that different people will have opinions that differ from your own with regard to public statements made by others.

Yes, agree- & that's my point.

People knew Danny Green wasn't going to commit harm after his recent tweet. Or Paul George before then. Both became news, & was bashed anyway. People today should knock off the political correctness. If there's no ACTUAL harm, then it should be left alone. We knew Gleason wasn't hitting anyone- that point should be made for today's society.

to each his own wrote:

ttc wrote:

My point is-

If ppl laughed at a woman being punched in the face- then maybe we can quit crying today over harmless tweets & political incorrectness.

Nobody is going to force you to feel offended by a tweet. Maybe you should stop crying about the fact that different people will have opinions that differ from your own with regard to public statements made by others.

IMO, ppl have not been offended by most tweets that have been bashed anyway. Yet, they still get bashed for insensitivity. If icon Gleason could joke if punching a woman- with no harm off it- then today we should quit crying over harmless pettiness.

Ray Rice is a big Honeymooners fan, caught on tape saying: "an elevator to the moon, bee-yatch."

ttc wrote:

[quote]goodbye yellowbrick road wrote:

OMG ttc, get real. It was a fictional show. While we are at it, why not throw in jail any teacher/principal who ever strapped/caned, etc. a student.[/quote

The fictional show made fun of punching a woman. That was fine. But a harmless tweet today is top news.

Top news? Stop getting your news from tabloids.

My favorite Honeymooners character was Norton, everything that dude did was funny.

ttc wrote:

Yes, agree- & that's my point.

People knew Danny Green wasn't going to commit harm after his recent tweet. Or Paul George before then. Both became news, & was bashed anyway. People today should knock off the political correctness. If there's no ACTUAL harm, then it should be left alone. We knew Gleason wasn't hitting anyone- that point should be made for today's society.

I follow sports closely and barely heard anything about Danny Green's tweet. Maybe you should stop listen to 24 hour sports radio if you don't want to hear people over reacting to dumb shit. Those guys are paid to find and talk about controversial stuff- even if they have to make it controversial.

Or you can continue listening, but if so, I'd advise you to get thicker skin.

Obviously our Head Tainter has been asleep at the switch.

Are you talking about this Holocaust tweet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/danny-green-holocaust-selfie_n_5956312.html

If so, he deserves a little rebuke. He's representing the US and the NBA on a European tour and he showed a lack of understanding and respect for one of Germany's most important issues, the Holocaust. The US didn't make this an important issue, Germany did.

Someone old enough to watch the Honeymooners should be very aware of how important this issue is globally and especially in Germany where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

Lucy often mentioned that she was afraid that Ricky would beat her.

You Know Me wrote:

ttc wrote:

Yes, agree- & that's my point.

People knew Danny Green wasn't going to commit harm after his recent tweet. Or Paul George before then. Both became news, & was bashed anyway. People today should knock off the political correctness. If there's no ACTUAL harm, then it should be left alone. We knew Gleason wasn't hitting anyone- that point should be made for today's society.

I follow sports closely and barely heard anything about Danny Green's tweet. Maybe you should stop listen to 24 hour sports radio if you don't want to hear people over reacting to dumb shit. Those guys are paid to find and talk about controversial stuff- even if they have to make it controversial.

Stop listening? Ok, in this Information age, close our eyes & ears. Sound advice.

Zeitgeist wrote:

Are you talking about this Holocaust tweet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/danny-green-holocaust-selfie_n_5956312.html

If so, he deserves a little rebuke. He's representing the US and the NBA on a European tour and he showed a lack of understanding and respect for one of Germany's most important issues, the Holocaust. The US didn't make this an important issue, Germany did.

Someone old enough to watch the Honeymooners should be very aware of how important this issue is globally and especially in Germany where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

So what?? As someone argued before, ppl knew Jackie Gleason wasn't really going to punch a woman. Just as well, ppl know Danny Green won't actually hurt anyone either.

I thought Gleason was a total ass and never did like the guy.

Words have meaning. They mean what they say. What he said was terrible, and probably influenced many men to act the same way and worse, a traumatic experience for the women.

J.R. wrote:

I thought Gleason was a total ass and never did like the guy.

Words have meaning. They mean what they say. What he said was terrible, and probably influenced many men to act the same way and worse, a traumatic experience for the women.

Lighten up, Francis. "One of these days" never came, did it. Ralph never punched Alice. The key to why it was funny and not offensive is Alice never took him seriously. And at the end of the show she loved him and he loved her.

And Jackie Gleason was probably and will be forever one of the top three American TV icons ever. Even ahead of Johnny Carson and Bill Cosby.

ttc wrote:

Zeitgeist wrote:

Are you talking about this Holocaust tweet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/danny-green-holocaust-selfie_n_5956312.html

If so, he deserves a little rebuke. He's representing the US and the NBA on a European tour and he showed a lack of understanding and respect for one of Germany's most important issues, the Holocaust. The US didn't make this an important issue, Germany did.

Someone old enough to watch the Honeymooners should be very aware of how important this issue is globally and especially in Germany where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

So what?? As someone argued before, ppl knew Jackie Gleason wasn't really going to punch a woman. Just as well, ppl know Danny Green won't actually hurt anyone either.

I'm just not following your argument, I guess. Are you saying that physical assaults are the only offenses to be concerned with? Threats of violence and cultural insensitivity are not worth discussion?

I hadn't heard a thing about the Holocaust tweet until I looked it up. I don't think anyone made a big deal of it unless the sports talk shows picked it up as another poster noted.