Disappointed wrote:
This is equivalent to saying: that while rape is wrong and cannot be condoned, with the way she was dressed she was asking for it.
Come on bro without pics of this girl verifying the level of hotness we are in no position to judge. Plus you know she dressed like a slut.
He is the adult and should have known better. She is still an adolescent. I work at an university and one of my co-workers comment on the female students when they leave the office. He is in his 50's and married. I find it deplorable and have told him to keep his thoughts to himself. I'm just waiting for him to take it to the next step and get arrested for harassment.
stang68cs wrote:
He is the adult and should have known better. She is still an adolescent. I work at an university and one of my co-workers comment on the female students when they leave the office. He is in his 50's and married. I find it deplorable and have told him to keep his thoughts to himself. I'm just waiting for him to take it to the next step and get arrested for harassment.
Did you have any relatives that officiated at the Salem Witch trials?
Basic Research wrote:
You're pretty lazy; aren't you?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=North+Carolina+general+statute+14-27.7.bAlthough, I admit, living in a fantasy world where I can run around denying facts just for the hell of it sounds like it could be entertaining. How's it working out for you?
Not sure I am lazy, probably more like ignorant. But I admit that you are right and I was wrong.
Can I ask you something, though... Lets say a 58 year-old professor of law had a 54 year-old grad student in his law class. Lets say they have sex one night after drinks at a local bar. Can she really charge him with a Class G felony? Even if she consented?
Isn't that odd?
Oh please. Do you think maybe the coach knew that he himself was married?! Yet he didn't seem to let that stop him from messing with her. Surely if HE had strong morals he wouldn't have messed with her. Quit defending a guy who clearly exploited his position of authority over a seventeen-year-old girl.
two sides to every story wrote:
I'm not at all defending this guy, just pointing out that there is always another side to these relationships. namely the high school girl. In this case, I'm sure the girl knew her coach was married. She didn't seem to let that stop her from messing with him. If she had strong morals, she wouldn't have messed with a married man even if he was 19 or 20. She knew what she was doing just as much as he did. Yet his career will be over and she will go on with her life with no repercussions.
Methinks.... wrote:
Women never do this.... ever
Presumably this is sarcasm.
Friend of a fiend wrote:
Basic Research wrote:You're pretty lazy; aren't you?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=North+Carolina+general+statute+14-27.7.bAlthough, I admit, living in a fantasy world where I can run around denying facts just for the hell of it sounds like it could be entertaining. How's it working out for you?
Not sure I am lazy, probably more like ignorant. But I admit that you are right and I was wrong.
Can I ask you something, though... Lets say a 58 year-old professor of law had a 54 year-old grad student in his law class. Lets say they have sex one night after drinks at a local bar. Can she really charge him with a Class G felony? Even if she consented?
Isn't that odd?
Elsewhere in the statutes, it defines "school" and "student" to mean only through grade 12, so college professors can bang away.
red state wrote:
lawyersrock wrote:This. In many states, it is illegal to have a relationship with someone over 18 years old if you are their teacher, coach, priest etc. It should be illegal in all states.
Oh really? Name a state? Just one?
Texas. Penal Code Section 21.12:
Sec. 21.12. IMPROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDUCATOR AND STUDENT. (a) An employee of a public or private primary or secondary school commits an offense if the employee engages in:
(1) sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school at which the employee works; or
(2) conduct described by Section 33.021, with a person described by Subdivision (1), regardless of the age of that person.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.
(b-1) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor was the spouse of the enrolled person at the time of the offense.
(c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another section of this code, the actor may be prosecuted under either section or both sections.
(d) The name of a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school and involved in an improper relationship with an educator as provided by Subsection (a) may not be released to the public and is not public information under Chapter 552, Government Code.
rhat wrote:
Methinks.... wrote:Women never do this.... ever
Presumably this is sarcasm.
Don't know if this really was sarcasm but here's a long list with dozens of female teachers (with mostly ugly mugshots!) charged with having sex with students. There must be dozens.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783Can anyone be really be surprised? How many times are teachers going to abuse their positions before people start to consider that maybe - just maybe - teachers aren't the Mother Theresa saints and Albert Einstein geniuses they're made out to be.
Nah, what am I saying?!? That's crazy talk.
Disappointed wrote:
This is equivalent to saying: that while rape is wrong and cannot be condoned, with the way she was dressed she was asking for it.
two sides to every story wrote:I do not know this guy at all and he may very well be a creep and a scumbag. Obviously he gave into temptation and crossed the line. However, what disturbs me is some of the comments under the newspaper article that reflect how quickly everyone is to judge. What seems to get overlooked so often is how much high school girls throw themselves on coaches (and teachers, for that matter). I am in my 30's now and am very thankful to have survived my 20's as a single, young coach without any accusations. Many high school coaches socialize with each other and talk a lot. This is always a common topic of conversation. Most male coaches I know who coach high school girls spend their careers living in fear of accusations or incidents.
I would encourage any of you to go to a high school cross country practice with a team of girls coached by a young, attractive male. You will be absolutely appalled at the way the girls throw themselves at him. Everything from the way they dress, the way they posture themselves, the flirting, asking for help stretching in a way that requires the coach to touch them, etc... It's absolutely scary. I know some coaches who are scared to death to even give their cell phone number out to their team for fear of what might get texted to them.
It's unfortunate that there are some coaches that fall victim to the temptation, of which there are plenty of opportunities to go around. Other coaches value their careers enough to steer clear of temptation, but believe me it is tough when it's right in your face and the girls are not bashful about displaying their willingness.
I'm not at all defending this guy, just pointing out that there is always another side to these relationships. namely the high school girl. In this case, I'm sure the girl knew her coach was married. She didn't seem to let that stop her from messing with him. If she had strong morals, she wouldn't have messed with a married man even if he was 19 or 20. She knew what she was doing just as much as he did. Yet his career will be over and she will go on with her life with no repercussions.
that is not at all what this poster is saying. a girl, past the age of 16, for the most part knows what the hell they are doing in regards to flirting and inappropriate behaviour. hell this article talks about teamates of hers finding the text messages, so what is that all about? reading someone elses text messages? is that appropriate and what was their motive in doing so? where they jealous of her or was it a competition to see who could sleep with him first? in the world anymore there are a lot of young women and men looking for trouble and creating it for no purpose other than to see if they can get away with it or get the other person caught.
Hmm, I coached high school girls xc, indoor track and outdoor track for nearly 20 years. There were not many girls who "threw" themselves at "good looking coaches". At most perhaps some attempts at "flirting" but they could easily be rebuffed. For an inappropriate relationship to develop the adult HAS to react postively to any flirting and ACTIVELY encourage such behavior. There is no excuse for it EVER. Thats the bottom line! Lets stop making excuses for morally/banrupt repulusive behavior by adults entrusted with the care of younger people.
ssrun wrote:
Hmm, I coached high school girls xc, indoor track and outdoor track for nearly 20 years. There were not many girls who "threw" themselves at "good looking coaches". At most perhaps some attempts at "flirting" but they could easily be rebuffed. For an inappropriate relationship to develop the adult HAS to react postively to any flirting and ACTIVELY encourage such behavior. There is no excuse for it EVER. Thats the bottom line! Lets stop making excuses for morally/banrupt repulusive behavior by adults entrusted with the care of younger people.
come on. let's stop acting like people get to where they are by hard work and determination. if they are of legal age who gives a @hit if its some part time coach? what the hell kind of influence does this guy have over her. she's not a student he's holding a relationship with in return for an easy a. and in college and the workplace most women who know how to use it are the ones getting easy grades and easy promotions. guys are attracted to good looking women and if you getting the promotion means he gets a hummer once every few weeks you know who the top pick is.
betterbutter wrote:
ssrun wrote:Hmm, I coached high school girls xc, indoor track and outdoor track for nearly 20 years. There were not many girls who "threw" themselves at "good looking coaches". At most perhaps some attempts at "flirting" but they could easily be rebuffed. For an inappropriate relationship to develop the adult HAS to react postively to any flirting and ACTIVELY encourage such behavior. There is no excuse for it EVER. Thats the bottom line! Lets stop making excuses for morally/banrupt repulusive behavior by adults entrusted with the care of younger people.
come on. let's stop acting like people get to where they are by hard work and determination. if they are of legal age who gives a @hit if its some part time coach? what the hell kind of influence does this guy have over her. she's not a student he's holding a relationship with in return for an easy a. and in college and the workplace most women who know how to use it are the ones getting easy grades and easy promotions. guys are attracted to good looking women and if you getting the promotion means he gets a hummer once every few weeks you know who the top pick is.
ssrun: I agree with everything you said.
better butter: Your comments sound like you are trying to make excuses for men that fail in life. Almost everyone I know that is successful got that way by working hard - both men and women. It is insulting that you are claiming the reason that many women are getting good grades and succeeding in the workplace is because they are having sex with teachers/their boss.
Maybe women don't spend their time looking at porn, playing video games, spending hours watching sports, etc. Many men/boys do not want to put the time and energy into school that it takes to be successful. Instead, you come up with some lame excuse as to why men are struggling, while women continue to make strides both in college and the workplace.
Menace wrote:
If the girl was or is "18" then he did nothing illegal or against the law. It does matter however that she is in school still and he is a coach and will get fired. Other than that he probably wont face any jail time due to the fact that the girl is of "Legal Age"
Did you read the article? He is charged with soliciting porn and displaying porn to a MINOR. That means she was not 18 when the pics were sent/shared. A prosecutor would not make that charge without checking the age of the girl.
From the article it appears Maryland's law is more narrow than some states. Some states have a provision that covers anyone in a position of trust---a coach certainly would fall in that category whether volunteer, independent contractor or employee.
Also, I bet this is not the first time he has done it either.
He also has already been fired.
rhat wrote:
Methinks.... wrote:Women never do this.... ever
Presumably this is sarcasm.
No way! Not sarcastic at all. Women don't have sex with minors or students. They all stay in the kitchen, classroom, and garden. They service their husbands regularly. Post nuptial shut off is crap....
red state wrote:
lawyersrock wrote:This. In many states, it is illegal to have a relationship with someone over 18 years old if you are their teacher, coach, priest etc. It should be illegal in all states.
Oh really? Name a state? Just one?
Texas
http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/sex-crimes/teacher-student-sex.aspxtragic wrote:
Our local teachers union published in article in its monthly magazine warning male teachers about the behaviors and situations to avoid. I prejudged it a bit, thinking it might have an anti-male slant but frankly it was a blunt, hard hitting article that outlined the risks of even seemingly innocent behavior and described the consequences for crossing the lines. If I were a AD or principal I would have no caution over pounding on this subject repeatedly.
I don't feel sorry for this guy - having a relationship in public with a 17 year old girl is beyond poor judgment - but the consequences are mind numbingly bad. He won't work in education, will have to have a heck of a lawyer to avoid having to register as a sex offender, and has likely irrevocably damaged his relationship with his wife and worse yet, his kids. It is an awful place to be.
Would it have been okay with you if they had kept it private?
can not believe it wrote:
A coach hooking up with a 21 year old is inappropriate. When you tell a person what to do everyday, it's easy to get them to like you
In that case it is the power discrepancy that is an issue (and probably contractual issues) as the coach can determine playing time, training or the scholarship.
Don't f*** your athletes! And I include that for adults who are coaching other adults outside of a school setting as it can lead to problems. For instance, I know a coach in AZ who coaches adults (cyclists, triathletes). When he first started coaching he had flings with a few of his athletes. Eventually he developed a less than stellar rep and had a hard time getting new clients. The clients that did not have the flings felt like he gave the girls special treatment or extra attention. Several fired him. He eventually settled down with one woman (an athlete, but not one he coached) and regain his rep. In these cases, the women were paying him (I know we all think that would be great) so there was not so much a power component--they were adults and decided on the races they wanted to do and could fire him at any time. I also think the lines can get blurred.
Yes, I am aware that a number of female track athletes are coached by their husbands. I still do not think that is a great idea.
Derps wrote:
OP change your title, you make it sound like THE Maryland coach which is awful because the UMD coach is a great coach.
In the future, don't use state names like this. It would be better to say 'Track coach busted IN Maryland' or 'A Maryland track coach busted' not 'Maryland track coach busted'.
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