This Nike project is ruining track and field in America. They are giving us a false sense of hope. They are pretending like something good will come of us, but so far nothing has. No descent results from runners in the project have done anything of importance. Eventually Nike will realize this and they will stop throwing money at Oregon and the Oregon project. At that point track and field in this country, especially long distance track and field will go in the tank.
vis. your post:
it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
"descent"? proofreading mate. Teg sub-13:00, fourth at the world championships by a hair; Symmonds has made massive strides, and is in position to medal in 2012, though the 800 field internationally is so strong right now that it's going to require lots of luck; Goucher medalled in Osaka and gives the US another legitimate contender in wmm and the championship marathons; Ritz breaks a pretty old American record in the 5k, becomes only the third non-African sub-13:00, and medals at the world half. Was Rupp in the top ten in the world in the 10,000m? Oh, yes, I do believe he was. If he or Ritz can pick up an AR in the 10k, I would say that that is something coming of something. Go read your Lear and keep chanting that we'll be good at distance running "never, never, never, never, never."
Its all based off of potential. Who cares if Ritz if was the third no african to break 13, wow. Thats like saying Steve Nash is the best white guy is basketball. That means nothing. It means your still getting your butt handed to you by people much better than you. Symmonds, Goucher, Rupp are successes because of the potential that they have? Do any of them have gold medals in any major event? No. Have any of them come close the world records for their respective events, No. Also Symmonds got lucky in the semi's of the world championship and didn't even deserve to be in the finals. The fact is Nike is throwing way too much money at these guys and eventually they will realize that these Oregon runners aren't bringing in any money in return.
Sorry
Ummm, how can they be "ruining" track, if you contend that there is nothing to "ruin", since, you contend, that they are accomplishing nothing [which will result in Nike not funding them]? Soooo, is Nike ruining track by giving them money or are they going to be "ruined" when Nike stops giving money? How can they be "ruined" if you are contending that they are not good to begin with? Your logic is craptacular.
Wow, what f#cking pessimist. Nike should just go ahead and quit trying to fund international track athletes. Close up shop.....go home. These athletes should never try again and quit running too. Ritz won a bronze at the World Half Champs and gamed it the whole way, btw. Try rooting for these guys. They're chasing their dreams and sacrificing alot, try rooting for them.......Don't be a hater, be a participater.
'Its all based off of potential. Who cares if Ritz if was the third no african to break 13, wow.'
Is Steve Nash in the top 3 in the US then?
steve nash is canadian.
Steve Nash is not in the top 3, if he were American. And saying Ritz is in the top 3 of Americans is not that great. There are still plenty of kenyans ethiopians and other african nations that can beat him pretty easily.
nothing from nothing wrote:
Its all based off of potential. Who cares if Ritz if was the third no african to break 13, wow. Thats like saying Steve Nash is the best white guy is basketball. That means nothing. It means your still getting your butt handed to you by people much better than you. Symmonds, Goucher, Rupp are successes because of the potential that they have? Do any of them have gold medals in any major event? No. Have any of them come close the world records for their respective events, No. Also Symmonds got lucky in the semi's of the world championship and didn't even deserve to be in the finals. The fact is Nike is throwing way too much money at these guys and eventually they will realize that these Oregon runners aren't bringing in any money in return.
Sorry
So given your logic we should all quit because there's no hope and we are all inferior because we're not from East Africa. I'm wasting my time reading your senseless drabble.
There are not plenty Kenyans who can beat Ritz pretty easily. A few without a doubt but, to say that Ritz is not one of the best in the world is purely false and frankly, stupid. How many guys have run under 12:56 in the last 2 seasons? I would guess perhaps 10-15, tops. That makes him one of the best on the planet and that's not even taking into account what he did at the World Half. What a race he ran!
-The Killer
Nike sponsored athletes still do very well in the sprints, multis, hurdles, and the field
nothing from nothing: This Nike project is ruining track and field in America. They are giving us a false sense of hope.
One assumes you are trolling when you state that the sport would be better off without hope.
The other possibility is you're morbidly depressed.
Of course you might well be both depressed and a troll.
Just for you, the lyrics to Tones on Tail's "Happiness" (though it's much better with the music):
to be without desire
destroys a different style
to let her pass you by
- it's no good
if only we could walk away
with all this out my way
to be without you
- it's no good
to grab the biggest cake
gives life its zest and taste
this is the truth, my friend
- it's not good
happiness is success
success brings hope
hope - it's not good
Funny how Oregon Project runners (AlSal, OTC and Schumacher runners) have accomplished more in the past 2-3 years then 99.9% of American distance runners have accomplished over the past 15 years. The only American runners in the past 15 years to do anything on the international stage that isn't a part of the Oregon group were Bob Kennedy and currently Bernard Lagat and Deena Kastor. Teg, Ritz, Symmonds, Goucher, and Flanagan simply dominate when they race and each is showing signs of being consistent top three threats every time they race. Ruining track and field...are you serious? False hope is only due to idiotic thinking on the part of the fan. Realistic thinking, knowing they are making headway, that is what the Oregon group is showing they can do and do well.
4/10 on the troll.
What gave it away? Only pointing out problems and no solutions. Also his use of improper grammar and pedestrian style of writing.
Troll Gaydar wrote:
4/10 on the troll.
What gave it away? Only pointing out problems and no solutions. Also his use of improper grammar and pedestrian style of writing.
I am not a troll
1. This is letsrun, stop acting as grammar police. So long as I get the point across thats all that matters.
2. Pedestrian style of writing, whooops! Sorry I didn't realize this a graduate level english course.
3. No solutions, why would I offer a solution if I am arguing the case that Nike is ruining American Track and Field. I think the solution is obvious. Nike needs to distance itsself from Oregon and realize theres a heck of a lot more talent across America and loads more talent across the world.
Problem Solved
The NOP is better than nothing. At least we now have good distance clubs in Portland/Eugene. Maybe something will come of it other that Kara Goucher's bronze which so far is the only major medal they have to show. They are trying and those of us who don't live in Oregon should at least encourage them and not try to piss on everything they do. You do realize that although Los Angeles County residents brought home 10 medals from Berlin 2009, the other 22 of 32 came from the rest of the U.S. Meg Whitman doesn't want 10/32 of the vote this November ;=| In other words, the medals are spread pretty well across the entire U.S. Our whole country won Berlin 2009, not one state or one county.
USATF/USADA Berlin 2009
...G S B
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CA 7 2 2
(L.A. County 7 2 1)
(S.F. County 0 0 1)
TX 5 1 1
VA 3 0 0
GA 2 1 0
IL 1 0 1
MS 1 0 0
MO 1 0 0
AZ 0 1 1
FL 0 1 0
KY 0 0 1
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20 6 6 32
Not sure what you mean by accomplishments but the young duo of Lomong and Manzano seem to be moving up each year. Hall seems pretty solid as well. Seeing as Nike has consolidated 99% of the talent I would certainly hope that they are getting 99% of the results or better. Also, it seems like Flanagan ran better BEFORE she went to the Nike OP.
nothing from nothing wrote:
Troll Gaydar wrote:4/10 on the troll.
What gave it away? Only pointing out problems and no solutions. Also his use of improper grammar and pedestrian style of writing.
I am not a troll
1. This is letsrun, stop acting as grammar police. So long as I get the point across thats all that matters.
2. Pedestrian style of writing, whooops! Sorry I didn't realize this a graduate level english course.
3. No solutions, why would I offer a solution if I am arguing the case that Nike is ruining American Track and Field. I think the solution is obvious. Nike needs to distance itsself from Oregon and realize theres a heck of a lot more talent across America and loads more talent across the world.
Problem Solved
1. U must b nu 2 LetsRun.
2. You realize it now, so work on it. Not sounding like an imbecile when you speak and write will only strengthen your argument.
3. You claimed Nike sponsored athletes have not had any "decent" results and that Nike is ruining track and field. Mr. Stankly pointed out they can't ruin anything if it's already not producing results (see point 2. Write something that makes sense). I would call Kara winning a bronze at 2007 Worlds and her podiums at NY and Boston pretty decent results. Along with Ritz's bronze at World Halfs. You say it's ruining AMERICAN track and field, yet their athletes have set AMERICAN records and won International medals. Certainly it's encouraging.
Why should we be satisfied with a bronze medal here and there. We have the best resources in the world and all we can do is a bronze medal. That is sad. We should be getting gold medals left and right like our sprinters. But we don't. Saying that we have improved isn't saying much either, because when your at the bottom, you are bound to go up. (It's the only direction you can go)
For you, Nothing, the only solution is the Ultimate Solution...for you, that is.