Is Bolt doping? An intelligent discussion

I'm still struggling with this question: Is coming second in a World Championship 200m to Tyson Gay, and running 19.75, really an incentive to start doping?

no, but it would be an incentive to teak his training a bit, focusing more on the speed portion of a 200m, therefore lowing both his 100 and 200 times.

I'm willing to acknowledge the long legs would be an advantage at top speed and for speed endurance, but Bolt would have beaten Ben Johnson and Maurice Greene to the 50 meter mark in his world record 100m runs...does anyone else buy that? The long legs are definitely not an advantage when it comes to starting and accelerating and he still blew away the field. Now people are talking about the new SARM drugs, and they're very existence puts virtually every performance under suspicion now IMHO. I mean a drug that has the same effects as testosterone on your muscles with no (or very little side effects) and is currently undetectable (in fact they have no idea how to detect the stuff). Who wouldn't take it? Oh and it's made in China so really anyone in the world could be taking the stuff for all we know. Not to mention testing for HGH and IGF-1 is still a joke so why not go ahead and take that stuff too.

Finishing second is the biggest incentive to dope you could possibly get.

One could sum up this discussion the following way:

Is it possible that Bolt is doping? Yes, it's possible.

Is it likely that Bolt is doping? No, there are so far no indications or allegations beyond a few adolescent nut jobs with very small penises on a message board.

Are we eventually going to have reliable tests for PEDs that are not testable today? Yes, in all likelihood we will have those test long before Bolt retires.

Has this been an intelligent discussion? By letsrun.com standards, almost. But that doesn't say very much.

Truthiness wrote:

Finishing second is the biggest incentive to dope you could possibly get.

When you're 20 yrs old, can run 19.75 and there's every chance of you coming first in the very near future even if you don't improve on your PB?

yes wrote:

Truthiness wrote:

Finishing second is the biggest incentive to dope you could possibly get.

When you're 20 yrs old, can run 19.75 and there's every chance of you coming first in the very near future even if you don't improve on your PB?

Yes. Bolt has no extraordinary talent, he's just a tool in the grand conspiracy to break America's dominance of the sport. That's his motivation.

Ryan Hall, however, has no motivation whatsoever to use PEDs. He has accomplished the ultimate in his sport by becoming a hero on letsrun, and besides he is white, he is American, and he is best friends with Jesus, and good people like that simply don't cheat.

What's so hard to understand?

Because Hall only garners praise for his religion on letsrun, right? Call me when he runs 1:58:xx

&man wrote:

Because Hall only garners praise for his religion on letsrun, right? Call me when he runs 1:58:xx

No, he garners a lot of praise for his skin color and country of birth as well.

Come on, be serious. If an African-born naturalized US citizen had produced the same results as Hall, he would not even be respected enough for people here to accuse him of doping. Meb is a *way* more accomplished runner - and with a way better personality - but he has never been half the hero to the letsrun mooks.

bronze hippo wrote:

Good luck with your thread...

How's he doin' so far?

formidable doer of the nasty wrote:

One could sum up this discussion the following way:

Is it possible that Bolt is doping? Yes, it's possible.

Is it likely that Bolt is doping? No, there are so far no indications or allegations beyond a few adolescent nut jobs with very small penises on a message board.

Are we eventually going to have reliable tests for PEDs that are not testable today? Yes, in all likelihood we will have those test long before Bolt retires.

Has this been an intelligent discussion? By letsrun.com standards, almost. But that doesn't say very much.

Wow. This is the worst post.

He kills the intelligent part talking about people's penises.

Not likely doping? No indications or allegations?

Indications are from running far faster than known dopers. Allegations have come from many sources outside of Letsrun.

Any future reliable test for today's drugs will be obsolete against tomorrow's drugs. Just like it always has been.

I can't believe people still think that passing drug tests means anything at all. I also can't believe his competitors get a free pass from allegations because they are so far behind.

formidable doer of the nasty wrote:

Is it likely that Bolt is doping? No, there are so far no indications or allegations beyond a few adolescent nut jobs with very small penises on a message board.

so by your standards, it wasn't "likely" that marion jones was doping either. i mean, there were no indications. the only problem here is that she was dirty as f'ck all along.

so....your post means nothing. but thanks for your opinion.

the letsrun verdict wrote:

No, he garners a lot of praise for his skin color and country of birth as well.

is there something wrong with this?

people of all ethnicities gravitate towards heros that look like themselves. it's natural. hall in particular gives white people hope that they maybe aren't so genetically inferior afterall.

it doesn't mean white guys don't like the others like Meb.

but carry on with your cry baby PC bullshit. it's really constructive. we'll all be sure to like hall a little bit less and Meb/Abdi just a little bit more for you.

to anyone that thinks this guy is clean you really have your head in the sand. he doesn't beat, but just obliterates World records of primarily convicted drug cheats, but he's the clean one....yeah right.

isn't it amazing that jamaica has suddenly become the sprinting capital....and not just the young athletes. the real signal is the fact that jamaican sprinters who have passed there peak are now setting pr's....you think this is all due to "better coaching" if so you are simply a moron and naive to the PED world sports live in.

Like I said, let's shut down the sport. If anybody who wins or sets records is automatically dirty, then what's the fu\cking point?

His little buddy "Monster" achieved near similar times without the "freaky" levers. In fact Monster is downright ordinary looking and looks like the anabolic joke that modern sprinters look like when they are doping and claim to be clean. He is also breaking down like a doper who's body can't handle the hyper trophy and extreme torque that he can generate on his tendons and ligaments.

If Mills were a Lidyard, every coach would be flying down to Jamaica to get lessons from him. The Jamaicans aren't reinventing the wheel. They have just temporarily shifted the playing field until the party ends like what happened with Balco....

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs! wrote:

If Mills were a Lidyard, every coach would be flying down to Jamaica to get lessons from him. The Jamaicans aren't reinventing the wheel. They have just temporarily shifted the playing field until the party ends like what happened with Balco....

Ah, Occam's razor. Does it also apply to Alberto Salazar, or did he actually "reinvent" the wheel?

Yes

Where there is smoke there is fire....