Is Bolt doping? An intelligent discussion

Nice try.

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You sure got the discussion off to an "intelligent" start with your sound reasoning:

As much as I don't want it to be true, It seems a likely possibility.

You're kidding, right?

Good luck with your thread.

My guess is you'll get a few people that say he's not doping because he's 6'4", was an extremely talented junior, or simply because he's Jamaican, and they don't cheat apparently.

My thoughts: I find it highly dubious that one man can break the world record in his FIFTH race. Meanwhile, it took others years of training AND DRUGS to achieve world record times that don't even compare.

you're trying to have an intelligent discussion on letsrun. hahahahahahahahahaha

Is Oprah black?

Bolt's progression since Osaka 2007:

Osaka 2007

Did not run 100M

200M Heat = 20.12

200M Quaterfinal = 20.13

200M Semi-final = 20.03

200M Final = 19.91

Berlin 2009

100M Heat = 10.20

100M Quarterfinal = 10.03

100M Semi-Final = 9.89

100M Final = 9.58

200M Heat = 20.70

200M Quarterfinal = 20.41

200M Semi-Final = 20.08

200M Final = 19.19

I do not believe Bolt is doping any more than most his competitors or the other men who have run 9.79 or faster in history.

OP, I like the thread.

First lets establish this to protect ourselves from the fanatical Bolt fans who will freak out if we say he is doping:

As of right now we cant say he is doping and in my discussion wont say he is doping. I admit I am speculating.

-6'4-100 is harder to run as a tall guy, look at other sub 10.00 guys or fastest guys in NFL.

-Average starter-obviously because he is tall

-simultaneous explosion of Jamaican dominance

-A lot of Jamaicans were just busted for doping, and the Jamaican track circle is tiny.

-Significant motivation to dope- look at the fame and fortune he has. What would he be doing if he wasnt running?

-Plateued for a few years and then possibly has the largest, most statistically impossible improvement in the history of all sport.

-Records set before him were by doped individuals. Lets face it the drugs make a huge difference and he is destroying records

-Passing drug tests, as has been shown time and time again is not a good indicator of drug use.

I think he is doping. Would be shocked if he wasnt.

Like Tim Montgomery ... man he was a walking PED.

I'm surprised he hasn't kicked the proverbial bucket yet. Bring back "the good ol' days" when guys were >only< doing steroids.

Dwain Chambers was taking the following:

THG, epitestosterone cream, EPO, HGH, insulin lispro, modafinil and liothyronine.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Quack Quack

Quacky here, checking in. Usually I only chime in when my boy AlSal's kids are in the news, but will quack my hint.

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulation.

Quack Quack

Quacky,

Why do you suspect this?

Phelps is pretty dominant, is he doping?

DoubyaTeeEff wrote:

Phelps is pretty dominant, is he doping?

yes, yes he is.

Are you kidding? Phelps is White and American, he is clean as snow.

Rather than assume that everyone is clean, I just assume that everyone is doping. When you assume that, then it doesn't really matter. Then it shows that Bolt is supremely talented. So is Gay. But Bolt is better.

SARM is what everyone is on just like Mr Quack Quack said.

The IAAF put them on the banned list at the started if this year or maybe last year, but don't have a clue how to test for them. The athletes are laughing.

Yes he is, but it may be some sort of non-drug stimulant in the manner of electronic stimulation, REALLY good Ganja derivatives, plus the standard 'roids.

...oh and screening drugs. REALLY REALLY good masking and screening drugs.

A truism:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary EVIDENCE.

The extraordinary claim: a PED-free man runs 100 meters in 9.58 seconds and 200 meters in 19.19 seconds, obliterating his (already shocking) world records in events with documented histories of drug use among its previous world record holders and world champions.

How extraordinary is the EVIDENCE to back up the extraordinary claim? Not extraordinary at all, unfortunately.

Passing national federation or IAAF or IOC drug tests are hardly sufficiently extraordinary evidence. Many elite sprinters have repeatedly passed these tests while simultaneously using PEDs (not to mention that there is still no test for such pedestrian PEDs as human growth hormone, let alone SARMs). Anyone with even a passing knowledge of the history of the sport knows this.

If Bolt is truly superhuman, he would welcome, and indeed should seek out, the most thorough and rigorous scientific examination of his superhuman gifts. The biophysics labs at Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and Caltech should investigate, over the course of many months, his seemingly preternatural ability to gain heretofore unknown insights into human biology. Don Catlin's and Charles Yesalis's labs should spend a year investigating Bolt's ability from every scientifically conceivable angle. THAT is the level of scrutiny that would certainly produce the extraordinary EVIDENCE needed to substantiate the extraordinary claim.

How a man can go from the equivalent of a 3:45 mile (extremely good, elite world-class) to the equivalent of a 3:37 mile (superhuman hyper-freaky otherworldly), in just two years mind you, ostensibly without any illicit assistance BEGS for rigorous scientific investigation, just for the scientific insights it would yield. Bolt should seize this incredible opportunity to contribute to human knowledge.

Will he? Don't forget that there is NOTHING preventing him from doing so. Talk is cheap - he should put his money where his mouth is. But I ain't holding my breath that he will. And it ain't too hard to understand why.