LateRunnerPhil - Tinman Training Through Summer to 5k PR in Sep (Goal ~15:30)

Changing shoes so often as you do is a beginners mistake. You need to find one good training shoe for you to run easy runs in , then you have to find a good lightweight race shoe for faster workouts and also a good spike shoe with nice feeling. That`s it! It`not good for your feet to constantly have to change. Just an experienced advice.... :)

Don’t try to change your form while you’re injured. You’re just going to injure something else. Focus on the continuity of your training. You’re trying to do way too much. I’ve been there before and like me, it seems like you won’t listen no matter how many times someone tells you. You can easily break 16 with singles 6 days a week.

supragraf wrote:

Don’t try to change your form while you’re injured. You’re just going to injure something else. Focus on the continuity of your training. You’re trying to do way too much. I’ve been there before and like me, it seems like you won’t listen no matter how many times someone tells you. You can easily break 16 with singles 6 days a week.

You are right Supragraf. :) If Phil hadn`t been so stubborn and all the time keep the ball punctured,he could have a good chance to break 16 with singles 6 days in the week.

There is no way that LRP isnt trolling.

Kipchogefan wrote:

There is no way that LRP isnt trolling.

I know it's hard to believe, but it's just how I am. Take it for what it is. Help me improve even more and reduce risk of injuries. I can be stubborn.

I'm not the first person to run through pain. It can work. The human body/brain was designed to be able to keep running/going under severe damage/pain. Cyclists crashed and ruptured half of their leg and finished a race. Ultrarunners broke something and finished the last 20-30 miles.

Imagine life millions of years ago. Humans had no weapons yet, they were desperately persistance running animals like deer to death. After 5 hours, someone's foot is starting to hurt. Should he stop, give up and starve? No, he somehow keeps going for 2 more hours, and gets his feast that will last him through another week.

The important thing to realize is just because I can run through the pain, and make it easier by switching shoes, it probably was not smart to do it. I'm essentially gambling, maybe it gets better throughout the run, but in my case, it led from no pain at walking to pain at walking and bending, I made it a lot worse and probably needs longer to recover now. Stupid, I know, but in retrospect it's always easy to say that.

Imagine being over 15 millions of years ago.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

I know it's hard to believe, but it's just how I am. Take it for what it is. Help me improve even more and reduce risk of injuries. I can be stubborn.

I'm not the first person to run through pain. It can work. The human body/brain was designed to be able to keep running/going under severe damage/pain. Cyclists crashed and ruptured half of their leg and finished a race. Ultrarunners broke something and finished the last 20-30 miles.

As someone who's followed the recent pages of this thread, this very post is the crux of your problem:

1) You ask for help to improve. People offered advice weeks ago to change behavior and mentality or risk injury. You ignored or deflected. Now, you are injured. Again.

2) You make obscure references about people who might push injury, but this would be at a singular event or race for which they've been training. This is very different from enduring repeated pain in normal training.

These two points, in my opinion, highlight this issue: you obviously have the mental capacity to dig into the weeds (not sarcasm). However, you greatly lack self-awareness. Perhaps humility too, but mainly self-awareness. This needs to change, or else the bizarre irony of this thread will continue and you will continue to lack enjoyment in your running.

Wow, this thread is a dumpster fire!

I had successfully avoided clicking for as long as I could but now I see I was only hurting myself. Really entertaining stuff here!

LateRunnerPhil

I did a 95 min long run over hilly, soft trails with new shoes that were excellent on flat road and track before (Altra Escalante). They also felt good during the trail long run, it was very fast at 0 effort.

Just a thought: I would not call this very fast for someone with your PRs. I am at a similar level to you, though my PRs are quite a bit worse, and a run of the kind you mention is very easy for me (I did almost exactly the same distance mostly in the forest at a quicker pace with greater elevation gain just a couple of days ago), but I would not say it was fast.

I am probably more 'slow twitch' than you. But I also am doing a tiny fraction of the quality work you are doing, am some years older, and have been running for less time. What this suggests to me is that your basic aerobic fitness is where you have plenty of room for improvement. If you do not enjoy regular steady distance running, you could for example do regular 2 hour cycle rides at a good pace.

You might also find that doing tempo work and longer interval work on a treadmill is easier on your body impact-wise, and will make it easier for you not to run too fast.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Also tried to use mostly my left leg for the run.

I'm speechless. This is brilliant!

Now listen to over 50 years of running experience! Training correct has absolutely nothing to do with pain . It`s a question of gain without pain. To train smart and effective at the present shape level. Now you have to give your legs and body a chance to reload with some cross-training that will take away the impact on your legs and feet and that way keep up your endurance ability . Then you have to slowly implement running again when you are pain free and just stay with 5-6 sessions per week and see what you can do on that. And try to forget about running multiple mixed workouts that only counteract when it comes to the different paces . Concentrate on doing separate pace workouts with one purpose at a time.Correct training should be pain free and

only enough pressure what it takes to improve over time .

Darby wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Also tried to use mostly my left leg for the run.

I'm speechless. This is brilliant!

Been trying to visualize this in my head and just cracking up. This guy was hopping on one leg for a long run and in his head just screaming TINMAN TAUGHT ME TINMAN TAUGHT ME

Kipchogefan wrote:

There is no way that LRP isnt trolling.

LRP's motto should be "Keep the ball trolling."

I don't want to make light of your problems, Phil, but running with one leg is an absurd image.

I think you believe that "keep the ball rolling" is nothing more than a motivational phrase. In fact, people who make a habit of running through injuries rarely get faster. Actually, the very best runners only tend to run well after they string together multiple years of smart, injury-free training.

If you want to run your best, you really need to take the tinman mantra about staying healthy to heart.

I recall that Arthur Lydiard had his athletes train through pain and injuries. Not that I agree.

I find it hard to believe this is for real. This thread just keeps giving.

LRP running with feet wide apart (like a cowboy or something) to avoid injury, getting a different injury, still doing his strides and then running only on his left leg. You couldn't make it up.

LRP I want to be on your side, but please recognize that trying to with "mostly" one leg is absurd and not sustainable. Take some time off to recover and get at it again once you're healthy

Is LRP update ?

Yeah! LoL , really entertaining comics this . Like Duffy Duck at training camp.