YMMV wrote:
2,600 loser wrote:
And yet the Kenyan diet has very little meat.
And life expectancy in Kenya is 19 years less than in Hong Kong where beef consumption is a pound a day for every man woman and child.
I thought we were talking about running? And pot bellies and man boobs?
YMMV wrote:
Cholesterol and saturated fat, are essential for life .The most toxic fats are those derived industrially from plants, such as soybean, safflower, corn and canola. Animal sources provide fat-soluble vitamins like A,B,D,K2 as well as omega fatty acids and a full complement of essential amino acids. All are deficient in beans and rice which are loaded with toxins, antinutrients and empty carbs, for which the daily human requirement is zero. Such plant derivatives are stopgaps at best for times of game shortage. Humans have evolved for 2.6 million years to consume flesh and have never not done so for more than a generation with success. Veganism is a modern outgrowth of a corrupted food system which ships processed plant products all over the globe for exorbidant profits at the cost of human health.
I'll try and go point by point here :)
Cholesterol and saturated fat are produced naturally by the body, eating it in excess has been proven unhealthy. The "toxic fats" claim is vague, processed fats like oils I would agree are unhealthy so just eat whole fats, not too hard. You can easily get all of those vitamins on a plant-based diet. Just use google and you'll see that rice and beans offer a complete amino acid profile. Your stuff about what we've done for generations is an appeal to history fallacy.
Cheers!
blow it out your rear, hippie
Its not, he is lying. Im way skinnier than that guy and i eat ~2500 calories and probably run way less miles. Were also around the same age. I never heard of this pro runner, but he makes what i eat in a day videos like a teenage girl.
bullchit wrote:
do you guys really believe these "pro" videos?
This. He's clearly lying. Nothing to see here.
Clarification! wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Cholesterol and saturated fat, are essential for life .The most toxic fats are those derived industrially from plants, such as soybean, safflower, corn and canola. Animal sources provide fat-soluble vitamins like A,B,D,K2 as well as omega fatty acids and a full complement of essential amino acids. All are deficient in beans and rice which are loaded with toxins, antinutrients and empty carbs, for which the daily human requirement is zero. Such plant derivatives are stopgaps at best for times of game shortage. Humans have evolved for 2.6 million years to consume flesh and have never not done so for more than a generation with success. Veganism is a modern outgrowth of a corrupted food system which ships processed plant products all over the globe for exorbidant profits at the cost of human health.
I'll try and go point by point here :)
Cholesterol and saturated fat are produced naturally by the body, eating it in excess has been proven unhealthy. The "toxic fats" claim is vague, processed fats like oils I would agree are unhealthy so just eat whole fats, not too hard. You can easily get all of those vitamins on a plant-based diet. Just use google and you'll see that rice and beans offer a complete amino acid profile. Your stuff about what we've done for generations is an appeal to history fallacy.
Cheers!
Despite 60 years of propaganda, Big Food and Big Pharma have failed to show ANY unhealthy intake of saturated fat and cholesterol. All plant fats are subject to oxidation and are unstable leading to metabolic diseases like CVD, diabetes and dementia. Here re the vitamins you cannot get from a plant-based diet:
Vitamin A (beta carotene is poorly converted) , B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Also Heme-iron, Collagen, Omegas: DHA, EPA, CLA, Cholesterol and Balanced, fully bioavailable Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)
Antinutrients & TOXINS in plants: Alkaloids, Alpha-amylases, Arsenics, Cellulose, Cyanogenic glycosides, Fiber, Flavonoids, Gluten, Lectins, Mycotoxins, Oxalates, Phenolics, Photosensitizers, Phytic acid, Salicylates, Saponins, Sulforaphane, Tannins, Glucosinolates,Terpenoids and etc. 99.99% of all pesticides in plant food are natural and found in organic produce too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210What you call "appeal to history" is what rational people call "biology"
Let's look at the fitness benefits of plant-only diets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNRHyllozUQI think "Clarification!" is in there^
Well I don't think Natosha Rogers eats a lot either, given her activity level. Drew Hunter had a similar video where people on the board were shocked with how little he ate.
Maybe elite runners are just different beasts that can handle less fuel than you or either. Some of it maybe natural too, I know some (fast) runners that seem to take two bites of their food. Weight is a pretty crucial aspect of the sport, it just can have very tricky and unfortunate consequences.
YMMV wrote:
What you call "appeal to history" is what rational people call "biology"
I would encourage you to look up what an appeal to history fallacy is. As for all of your other claims, I think the best answer would be to simply link the ADA's view's on a vegan diet. If you are still confused, feel free to ask any questions.
Cheers!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864On War wrote:
Well I don't think Natosha Rogers eats a lot either, given her activity level. Drew Hunter had a similar video where people on the board were shocked with how little he ate.
That looks like a solid 2500-3000 calories to me. She was adding tons of butter and cream into everything she was eating. Obviously a lot of guessing about portion sizes and having no clue about what her current training looks like.
Butchart replied to my comment on his video about his calorie intake being really low for a pro runner and he agreed and said it will go up quite a bit when he starts running more.
Politcally Incorrect response wrote:
How did we get to a point where it is honorable for runners to show how little that they eat and be ashamed at eating too much... what happened to the days when the likes of Bill Rodgers and others ascribed to the notion of, "when the furnace is hot, it will burn anything?" What happened to runners bragging about layering mayonnaise on cold pizza for breakfast so that they could train that much harder??
Obviously, nutrition is important, but it is not the be all-end all... I hope young people do not see this video and think this is normal behavior. I do think that we under-estimate the negative impact of modern indoor living and try to over-compensate with an over-obsession with food.
Get outside in the sun, sleep a lot, train hard, and eat lots nutritious real food,( i.e. meat and vegetables) when you are hungry... get off your smart phone and quit watching pretty boys on you tube talk about their diets (I am talking to myself here too haha)
Because fashions change, and right now its fashionable to be a "professional athlete" with all the attention to micro-details for gains that entails. (its also fashionable for long distance runners to base themselves in Kenya, train like Kenyans, get a Kenyan girlfriend, etc so lets just be thankful he is a middle distance athlete).
This is also a British athlete and while I'm unsure what their contracts for funding specify, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't include something like a commitment to staying within a certain weight range.
This athlete here is clearly in a phase where he is looking to lose a little weight (check the video of him on the stationary bike) and I suspect his diet increases significantly when in full training mode, and not in a lockdown.
That said, I've always thought that it is a bit of a talent in itself to be able to maintain a naturally low bodyweight and thin physique without restrictive eating and without being injured/getting sick.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
On War wrote:
Well I don't think Natosha Rogers eats a lot either, given her activity level. Drew Hunter had a similar video where people on the board were shocked with how little he ate.
That looks like a solid 2500-3000 calories to me. She was adding tons of butter and cream into everything she was eating. Obviously a lot of guessing about portion sizes and having no clue about what her current training looks like.
True that - again no idea on portion sizes. But given her workload (bike + 70min run) that day I'd probably guess she ate more. Can't be too critical as it maybe just works for her.
did he include his munchie box for dinner?: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/unhealthiest-takeaway-calories-chips-carbs-pizza-deep-fried-scotland-a8500216.html
The Predictor wrote:
his bones gunna break bruh
Unless his calories are from milk
Shouldn't be allowed my dad said so wrote:
For example I'm a 6 foot 138 lbs Male (which is considered skinny even by runner standards) and I eat an average over 3000 calories a day and I have a teammate who eats nearly 5000 cals a day.
^ ... chick magnet
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
TME Hater wrote:
I have seen articles that Hasay eats 4-5k calories per day but I just do not believe it to be remotely true. Especially given her injury history.
Videos like this, the Drew Hunter one and the training article about Evan Jager are a problem because they show elites eating very little. It causes people to adjust their diets according and flame out. What’s the common theme with Hunter, Jager and Butchart? They’re all hurt frequently. Jager and Hunter are coming off massive injuries that took months to heal. I wonder why?
Hasay got high incentive to overstate how much she is eating. She is incredibly lean, and operating in an environment were professional female runners are often associated with an eating disorder.
Even if Jager/Hunter/Butchart would be able to get away with eating so little, which they might or might not, at least not for a long time period, it is not advisable for non professionals to copy that. We don't have their VO2MAX or fuel system. Put a 15-20 min 5k hobby jogger on their diets and they will be injured after a few weeks. Most people forgot how incredibly strong the aerobic systems of these 13 flat-13 mid guys are, it takes much longer or a ridiculous effort for them to really start burning lots of carbohydrates. Let someone with a VO2MAX of 60 race an all-out mile, and a pro with 80+. The pro barely shows any fatigue after the mile, and would be able to dual meet soon after, the 60 VO2MAX 5 min miler is exhausted and done for the day.
A 5 minute mile costs what? 60-70 calories. Guess I don't understand the comparison.
On War wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
That looks like a solid 2500-3000 calories to me. She was adding tons of butter and cream into everything she was eating. Obviously a lot of guessing about portion sizes and having no clue about what her current training looks like.
True that - again no idea on portion sizes. But given her workload (bike + 70min run) that day I'd probably guess she ate more. Can't be too critical as it maybe just works for her.
Her BMR is probably down around 1300 or so so we are leaving a decent amount of calories for exercising. Think about how much higher the volume of food she ate would have been if she replace half of that butter/cream with carrots or spinach. Or even rice. We tend to perceive volume more than calories.
YMMV is by far either the best troll. Or the biggest Moran on LRC in a long long long time. And that’s saying a lot.
Clarification! wrote:
YMMV wrote:
What you call "appeal to history" is what rational people call "biology"
I would encourage you to look up what an appeal to history fallacy is. As for all of your other claims, I think the best answer would be to simply link the ADA's view's on a vegan diet. If you are still confused, feel free to ask any questions.
Cheers!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
These are the same people, funded by Big Pharma, Big Ag and Big Food, who have promoted the obesigenic, unsustainable and corrosive high-carb/low fat, replace-animal-fats-with-seed-oils dogma for half a century. As a result, Americans have reduced red meat consumption by 44%, while obesity has tripled. 100 years ago, half the Western diet was animal-based and cancer, heart disease and T2 diabetes were virtually unknown. Now they/you eat 75% plant-based, heavily processed puppy chow, and 88% have comorbidity making you vulnerable to covid or any other virus.
Meanwhile, Hong Kong has increased it's meat consumption by hundreds of percentage points, has almost no obesity and the highest life expectancy in the world. Most of East Asia is following suit, and is thriving as a result, while Westerners just spin down the drain of obesity, cancer, heart disease and diabetes.
Having tried both routes, I will stick with the Eastern Way, i.e. the proper human diet centered on fish and animal products.
YMMV wrote:
Having tried both routes, I will stick with the Eastern Way, i.e. the proper human diet centered on fish and animal products.
Your point about meat consumption having overall decreased is absolute nonsense. I'm not sure how credible your other "points" are when some basic research proves you incorrect. Check out the link I have put and we'll see if your stance about meat consumption stills stands.
http://www.earth-policy.org/data_highlights/2012/highlights25