OP spelled "Jogging" wrong in thread title
OP spelled "Jogging" wrong in thread title
jecht wrote:
Many have MAs/MBAs/PhDs here and make 250k a year.
Those are slow hobby joggers who do not belong here.
The faster runners here live in their parents' basement and work low-paying part time jobs to make ends meet.
sheeple-chase wrote:
The white exclusiveness goes beyond the color of your proverbial collar. Don't want to "play the race card" here, but if you look at most running communities in America (road/ultra, not so much track) it is still a very segregated space. I think a lot of it does have to do with who the sport is marketed to by those at the top. It's a shame, because in theory running is one of the most egalitarian sports in terms of who can participate. But our corporate overlords keep their cash flow up by telling us we need more high tech shoes, gps watches, and overpriced fashionable running-specific clothing, not to mention the exorbitant race entry fees "for charity." It all serves to raise the financial barriers for participation, which ends up dis-proportionally excluding racial minorities. (Also the flippin finishers medal! Have you ever considered how much cheaper races would be if the price didn't include a collectible finisher's medal? Just hand me a beer token in the chute instead!)
To be fair some of the burden has to fall on local running clubs and running stores for not making blacks/latinos feel welcome. Then of course there are the high school track coaches, who subconsciously funnel the black kids into sprints and the white kids into distance events.
Oh and let's not forget that if you're a black man running on the street, there's the chance, real or perceived, that you're more likely to get arrested or shot, even if you are doing everything you can to signal that you're just exercising by dressing like Michael Cera in Juno.
But yes please tell me how the real tragedy is we don't have more participation these days from trailer trash like Steve Prefontaine.
Lol didn’t know running stores were run by racists who make make latinos and black feel unwelcome in their stores.
Also you point about black people running is stupid.
In my state, the top 5-10 xc programs (consistently state championship contenders, even on down years) are basically identical to a list of the top 10-15 towns ranked by avg household income.
Running always has been. The lower classes are more worried about defending themselves. Part of that is looking strong, and part of it is being strong. No one wants to get caught looking like a twig in the ghetto.
The other thing is the amount of time needed to train, as well as the effects of training. Bodybuilding takes half the time running does, and just makes you sore. Long distance running at a high level causes heavy fatigue that's going to effect your job performance.
In America, distance running is clearly more popular among the middle to upper class, but imo that’s more of a function of culture than anything. At the HS level, it’s pretty easy to convince the random skinny middle class to rich white kid that likes sports but is too small for everything else to run. Not so much for the black kid that has the same build., but there’s little to nothing holding him back in a monetary sense.
Let’s be real. It’s literally the most simple sport out there and plenty more minorities and poor white people could get involved if they wanted. It just simply isn’t a thing they consider. I mean damn, a lot of the top guys in the sport grew up in extreme poverty and it’s literally the most basic sport in existence.
ehhh wrote:
Running always has been. The lower classes are more worried about defending themselves. Part of that is looking strong, and part of it is being strong. No one wants to get caught looking like a twig in the ghetto.
The other thing is the amount of time needed to train, as well as the effects of training. Bodybuilding takes half the time running does, and just makes you sore. Long distance running at a high level causes heavy fatigue that's going to effect your job performance.
I’m sorry, but this is a horrible post. Ver few poor people are actually in a gang or worried about “defending themselves”. And if someone is, he’s probably carrying a gun, not relying on his fists.
Not to mention the job performance angle. I’ve never known high school cross country to be so demanding that participants can’t hold down a part time job. Not to mention the fact that many marginally talented guys have worked manual labor jobs and made the Olympic Trials or better.
Yes and no. If you are good you can prove it with very little material (check Carapaz, Nairo, Bernal, they were basically middle to low income people in Ecuador and Colombia and could barely afford a bike that we wouldn' t dare to pick from the trash; not to mention the new generation of African riders) . For the next level, ofc they need top material, but then you are probably sponsored by a team. - again, if you have some real talent.
But I agree that you can buy performance in cycling, just think is not such a big factor to be able to become pro
Swim Bike Run. wrote:
Triathlon can be a stupidly expensive sport to get into (cycling).
Cycling is one of the few sports where you can seriously buy performance. People will spend north of 10K on a race day bike. A solid "entry level" bike is about 4K alone.
Carbon Wheels - 2K+
Power Meter: $600-1000.
Bike Computer: $300 - 500.
Tires are like running shoes. they dont last forever (+- 2000 miles, cycling vs running is 5:1 efficiency ratio so about the equivalent of running 400 miles) $150 a set. The list goes on and on.
Yes and no. If you are good you can prove it with very little material (check Carapaz, Nairo, Bernal, they were basically middle to low income people in Ecuador and Colombia and could barely afford a bike that we wouldn' t dare to pick from the trash; not to mention the new generation of African riders) . For the next level, ofc they need top material, but then you are probably sponsored by a team. - again, if you have some real talent.
But I agree that you can buy performance in cycling, just think is not such a big factor to be able to become pro
Pretty easy answer. Desire.
What 10 old kid dreams about being a distance runner? Most kids want to be athletes and go to distance running because they either aren’t that good of an athlete or they have parents that are distance runners.
For those that become runners later in life, it usually stems from trying to become fit as you’ve adopted a sedentary lifestyle and you have a couple office friends running a local 5K that you decide to try. For many that grows into international marathons.
All I know is that when I started running, races were $5 and shoes were $50. If races were $40 and shoes $120, I would have never become a runner...or at least would have never raced.
Also, I find that people with higher self esteem tend to be more motivated and willing to get out there and do the training that is required, and to do it publicly.
You have to define the difference between hobby jogger and a runner.
Hobby Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
Runner: follows a training block, cares about form, peaks for a race, and runs on days where it is inconvenient.
Of course. Successful parents instill work ethic in their children.
I still long for the Good ole days. There used to be this local 5k in my area, enrty cost was $2. The start line was some chalk on the road, the finish tape was some string, canned beer at the finish, and for an extra $5 you could have a go at the race director's wife.
Man, some good times were had. But, nevertheless, this was the 70's, nobody was worried about Aids or the Coronavirus, or the latest spandex or Gps watch.
sheeple-chase wrote:
The white exclusiveness goes beyond the color of your proverbial collar. Don't want to "play the race card" here, but if you look at most running communities in America (road/ultra, not so much track) it is still a very segregated space. I think a lot of it does have to do with who the sport is marketed to by those at the top. It's a shame, because in theory running is one of the most egalitarian sports in terms of who can participate. But our corporate overlords keep their cash flow up by telling us we need more high tech shoes, gps watches, and overpriced fashionable running-specific clothing, not to mention the exorbitant race entry fees "for charity." It all serves to raise the financial barriers for participation, which ends up dis-proportionally excluding racial minorities. (Also the flippin finishers medal! Have you ever considered how much cheaper races would be if the price didn't include a collectible finisher's medal? Just hand me a beer token in the chute instead!)
To be fair some of the burden has to fall on local running clubs and running stores for not making blacks/latinos feel welcome. Then of course there are the high school track coaches, who subconsciously funnel the black kids into sprints and the white kids into distance events.
Oh and let's not forget that if you're a black man running on the street, there's the chance, real or perceived, that you're more likely to get arrested or shot, even if you are doing everything you can to signal that you're just exercising by dressing like Michael Cera in Juno.
But yes please tell me how the real tragedy is we don't have more participation these days from trailer trash like Steve Prefontaine.
Yeah the cause the brothers running up credit card debt collecting Jordans and other must have sneakers for the collection is smart use of money.
Kill the Hobby Jogger wrote:
You have to define the difference between hobby jogger and a runner.
Hobby Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
No.
Fitness Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
Hobby Jogger: Is probably fat and should be jogging to lose weight, but doesn't jog for that reason. Doesn't even know that training plans exist. Enters the race. Tells everyone on social media that the race has been entered. Documents "training" leading up to the race in very precise and mind-numbing detail. On race day congregates just behind the starting line in order to get that pre-race selfie. Blocks most of the actual runners for the first 20-50 meters. Finally completes the race at least an hour after the winner. Celebrates PB on social media with a selfie of post-race beer and cupcake party. Enters the next race.
fitness jogger v hobby jogger wrote:
Kill the Hobby Jogger wrote:
You have to define the difference between hobby jogger and a runner.
Hobby Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
No.
Fitness Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
Hobby Jogger: Is probably fat and should be jogging to lose weight, but doesn't jog for that reason. Doesn't even know that training plans exist. Enters the race. Tells everyone on social media that the race has been entered. Documents "training" leading up to the race in very precise and mind-numbing detail. On race day congregates just behind the starting line in order to get that pre-race selfie. Blocks most of the actual runners for the first 20-50 meters. Finally completes the race at least an hour after the winner. Celebrates PB on social media with a selfie of post-race beer and cupcake party. Enters the next race.
they're both hobbyjoggers and i'm going to guess you are one too.
lol. wrote:
fitness jogger v hobby jogger wrote:
No.
Fitness Jogger: jogs to lose weight, doesn’t follow a training plan, doesn’t enter a race, most likely overweight with awful form.
Hobby Jogger: Is probably fat and should be jogging to lose weight, but doesn't jog for that reason. Doesn't even know that training plans exist. Enters the race. Tells everyone on social media that the race has been entered. Documents "training" leading up to the race in very precise and mind-numbing detail. On race day congregates just behind the starting line in order to get that pre-race selfie. Blocks most of the actual runners for the first 20-50 meters. Finally completes the race at least an hour after the winner. Celebrates PB on social media with a selfie of post-race beer and cupcake party. Enters the next race.
they're both hobbyjoggers and i'm going to guess you are one too.
where does this fit
religiously followed training plans for years. still has overly complex tracking spreadsheet. still running but mileage down and not following plan. still enters runs in aforementioned spreadsheet and feels guilty for low (40 MPW) mileage.
probably hobby jogger. damn. (palm slaps forehead)
Thanks for the interesting topic.
OP -- I mean, you're obviously noticing something that's real. The idea of running is simple -- just put on a pair of shoes go out & race. But it's not like that at all. If you want entry into a marathon major, you're paying $200-300+. Even local marathons are $100+. Half marathons are over $100. I'm seeing 5k's for $50. Most shoe brands start around $100. A pair of Vaporfly's is $275. Travel + hotel + expenses can run a big budget to get to a race with good competition.
If you're an elite runner, you might be able to chase the dream on a low budget but these races & their staff have monetized every aspect of our sport. It's trendy to run a marathon & take a photo for instagram. With the amount you have to spend on a race & the training for it, nobody is surprised that wealthier folks are being drawn to road races. Wealth in the US has roots along racial lines. If you're truly living paycheck to paycheck, you're not spending money you don't have on a marathon. Tons of white folks middle class & up make up a good percentage of a lot of fields.