Mountain guy wrote:
I agree with you. I think that a lot of people who want to keep the lockdown measures forever are people who have a steady source of income unaffected by the lockdown.
Mostly childless bugmen who enjoy working their worthless tech/IT jobs from home.
Go look at the reddit coronavirus discussions. You'll find scores of young "men" who would be thrilled to spend 24 months inside until the Bill Gates vaccine arrives. Creepy (self-)alienated human beings. It's pathetic.
big dave2222 wrote:
Mostly childless bugmen who enjoy working their worthless tech/IT jobs from home.
Go look at the reddit coronavirus discussions. You'll find scores of young "men" who would be thrilled to spend 24 months inside until the Bill Gates vaccine arrives. Creepy (self-)alienated human beings. It's pathetic.
Maybe stop reading reddit threads??
Or stop thinking they are representative of anything other than "people who troll on reddit"??
flu away wrote:
Why is it so hard to process simple facts? If 2 million people die or are injured in car crashes in the US each year, shouldn't the Governors outlaw all but absolutely necessary travel because otherwise we are putting all of those people at greater risk than they are of dying from Covid 19?
Yes, this is why there are no federal laws mandating airbags, seat belt usage, and safety designs. We have no speed limits or traffic light enforcement because we LIKE it that so many people die in auto accidents! We want it to be more! I'm not going to recognize the government's authority to keep me from driving my Hummer through every red light while watching movies on my phone, because my freedom is the most valuable thing!
And by the way, 39,000 people died in car crashes all of last year. 29,000 people have died from coronavirus in the last month. Coronavirus is a greater risk than driving by a factor of 10. And driving was already one of the leading causes of death in the US.
ouch. that does sound selfish and petty. I apologize deeply.
kw1954 wrote:
ouch. that does sound selfish and petty. I apologize deeply.
What is this? Actual humanity, humility, and self-awareness on Letsrun.com?
Sir, I think you must have gotten lost looking for some other destination.
How can we live with ourselves as a civilized society by not outlawing all personal travel? You really did not answer. The safety measures got us down to 39,000 deaths. We could eliminate most if we outlawed personal travel and mandated mass transit for essential workers. You downplay it like it is a joke. More important than that are 1.2 million preventable deaths caused by unhealthy habits. We could save many more lives there and not throw the rest of the population into poverty doing it. Somehow this virus is more important to people though because you are bombarded by the deathcount on the news.
kw1954 wrote:
ouch. that does sound selfish and petty. I apologize deeply.
Hey, I think everyone's on edge. I think there's a legitimate debate about how to plan for a lifting of restrictions. Yes, they're going to be lifted at some point, but there has to be a plan. I wish that was the discussion coming from the executive branch, but instead they're just throwing out random dates and contradicting themselves every other day.
There are governors-- Democrats and Republicans (Newsom and DeWine are two good examples) who are taking this seriously and trying to plan a way to get things back to normal as soon as possible with testing, contract tracing, and staged re-openings. But to all of the people who are either denying basic reality are who are just shouting to start playing baseball games with 30,000 people next week-- you're just going to make this all last longer, and the economy that seems to drive every single decision you make is only going to suffer for it.
It's pretty clear that we have two choices: do the hard work now and start slowly getting back to normal in mid- May, June, and July; or quit social distancing prematurely and deal with this in waves and waves until a vaccine is developed and rolled out (probably two years?). I am stuck at home with a 3-year old. I'd like this all be over tomorrow. But what I really don't want is to be stuck at home with a 3-year old in September.
flu away wrote:
Somehow this virus is more important to people though because you are bombarded by the deathcount on the news.
I'd like my parents to be able to safely visit their granddaughter again someday. But hey, you just keep on keeping on.
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kw1954 wrote:
ouch. that does sound selfish and petty. I apologize deeply.
Hey, I think everyone's on edge. I think there's a legitimate debate about how to plan for a lifting of restrictions. Yes, they're going to be lifted at some point, but there has to be a plan. I wish that was the discussion coming from the executive branch, but instead they're just throwing out random dates and contradicting themselves every other day.
There are governors-- Democrats and Republicans (Newsom and DeWine are two good examples) who are taking this seriously and trying to plan a way to get things back to normal as soon as possible with testing, contract tracing, and staged re-openings. But to all of the people who are either denying basic reality are who are just shouting to start playing baseball games with 30,000 people next week-- you're just going to make this all last longer, and the economy that seems to drive every single decision you make is only going to suffer for it.
It's pretty clear that we have two choices: do the hard work now and start slowly getting back to normal in mid- May, June, and July; or quit social distancing prematurely and deal with this in waves and waves until a vaccine is developed and rolled out (probably two years?). I am stuck at home with a 3-year old. I'd like this all be over tomorrow. But what I really don't want is to be stuck at home with a 3-year old in September.
You are trying to get away from your kid but other people are selfish?
No. The experts will tell you that the quickest way to get it over with is to lift all restrictions but it will result in the most deaths because hospitals will be overwhelmed. Social distancing is an intentional effort to prolong it in order to spread the hospitalizations out over a longer period.
I hope they can too. I'd like to see my son, my daughter, and my brother who all live in other states too.
Nothing is stopping me from hopping in my car and doing so but I also know that unnecessary interstate travel at this point in time is irresponsible. We also cancelled our annual family summer reunion vacation.
I get it. If we all just do our part and make minor sacrifices...
But my heart goes out to those who are out of work, small businesses that are dying at the expense of big boxes that are thriving, and those home alone with no spouse, friend or family for moral support.
Hang in there dad!
flu away wrote:
No. The experts will tell you that the quickest way to get it over with is to lift all restrictions but it will result in the most deaths because hospitals will be overwhelmed. Social distancing is an intentional effort to prolong it in order to spread the hospitalizations out over a longer period.
Shouldn't we have been loosening restrictions over the past months in the areas that have seen doctors and nurses take pay cut and become laid off? Most hospitals have been grossly underutilized and are facing major issues because they lost so much revenue from not seeing patients recently.
Dumbazz, you are wrote:
I see plenty of 'old' people without masks, while we all have them on.
I see them on the news saying they have no fear.
I see all of us working to keep the disease from getting to them.
These boomers have raped the country for far, far too long.
Open it up tomorrow.
Well said
The Original P.i.m.p. Baller wrote:
Hey Deplorables, here's an idea! Instead of demanding that people risk their lives and return to work in the middle of a pandemic that Trump (and you!) facilitated by failing to take it seriously, how about you ask the President to do his goddamn job and scale up tracking and testing so that it is safer for people to return to work. He's had MONTHS to do this and has totally failed.
False. China faciliated this virus. Either by lab manipulation or bat consumption.
flu away wrote:
How can we live with ourselves as a civilized society by not outlawing all personal travel? You really did not answer. The safety measures got us down to 39,000 deaths. We could eliminate most if we outlawed personal travel and mandated mass transit for essential workers. You downplay it like it is a joke. More important than that are 1.2 million preventable deaths caused by unhealthy habits. We could save many more lives there and not throw the rest of the population into poverty doing it. Somehow this virus is more important to people though because you are bombarded by the deathcount on the news.
Why are people making these ridiculous comparisons? The coronavirus is a one time pandemic, auto accidents are not. Here is a question for you: if we could shut down society for 3 months in return for eliminating all future auto death accidents would it be worthwhile?
The corona virus will eventually die out just like the Spanish flu. The only question is how many will it kill before it does. Do we let it kill more people and do nothing, or do we save as many lives as possible and accept some other consequences?
you are aware things don't just produce on their own. A lot of this talk of a pause to the economy is entirely fallacious. The halting of industry will have WIDESPREAD and DEEP consequences, that are entirely unknown as of now.
what is in between the words
social distancing, only a space
If you say socialdistancing then people would feel better, they would understand it's just how you look at it.
That's a fair point--karma will get them, as they are likely to die more than we are.
But they got their $$ already.
Like the rich media newscasters who have made theirs and won't be affected by this downturn.
I'm only 36 and had to google wtf a bugman was. Interesting.
A bugman is your typical big left leaning city dweller. He is usually obsessed with consumerism, lining up to purchase the newest iPhone or MacBook when it comes out, and using a smartwatch/smart home speaker for longer than the week after he bought it. Chances are he owns other throwaway smart gadgets as well. All his tastes in movies, music, expensive food, art, and more are determined by what review sites and blogs say.
Everything about his personality and life is not defined by who he is, but by what he buys and his consumerist tendencies. He'll be subscribed to at least one, maybe multiple subscription services, he'll happily use social media and upload all of his information to the cloud, and he'll gravitate towards things that seem "rational" and use big words.
In fact, their social media use defines a lot about who they are, as they try to get the most likes on social media bragging about their life and viewing the lives of others who do the same.
Yet there is something big missing about their life, something that can be seen in their face. Something that can be seen the minute you strip away all the consumerist choices and realize, there's nothing else. Their lives are empty, hollow, and all about serving corporations, until they die, and this is seen in their empty insectoid stare that implies they're dead inside, giving them the name bugmen.
A lot of them worked hard though during the '70s and early '80s to raise kids and probably had bad economic times so now they want to kick back and do what they want. And a lot of them are cheap SOBs.
It's like that in Naples too.