Bill Maher talking straight facts about the CHINA virus

The same or similar failed vaccines developed by Bill Gates and forced on people in other countries without their consent resulted in MANY DEATHS.

Now he wants to continue to do the same thing in America and the rest of the world.

He planned in advance to do this, which is what this whole lock down fiasco is about, to hold the whole world hostage until he poisons most of the world's population.

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As is often the case, both sides are wrong.

Yes, it is extremely well-precendented and not racist to name a new virus/disease after the location where it originated. But it would be far more appropriate to use the name "Wuhan Virus" as many people were doing early on before Trump starting calling it "Chinese Virus" for seemingly politically-motivated reasons. China is a big place, and there have been multiple viruses originating from China. So calling it "Chinese Virus" is too general and too vague. ("Which 'Chinese Virus'? There have been many Chinese Viruses.") "Wuhan Virus" is more specific and thus much more appropriate.

Regarding the other side's preferred name, "coronavirus," it also is far too general and refers to entire category of viruses rather than one specific one. ("Which 'coronavirus'? There are multiple corona viruses.) "COVID19" is not so much a colloquial-friendly name as it is a technical code. There's also the matter that if you're going to get technical, you need two names--one for the virus itself and another for the disease it causes. Scientists and medical doctors have generally been referring to the virus as the "novel coronavirus"--which is not a name but rather a description (whence comes the media and general public's name of "coronavirus"), and of course they refer to the disease as "COVID19." None of this really makes sense for the media or general public. They need a single name that is actually a name rather than a category.

Both "Chinese Virus" and "Coronavirus" are overly-broad and too general as there are multiple corona viruses and multiple viruses from China. So both sides are wrong. The virus should be called "Wuhan Virus," and if you want to be technical, the disease it causes is "COVID19" (though they may need a more friendly name for there to be much chance that the media or general public will ever use it).

I’m generally your fairly generic left of center democrat, warm on Biden, sceptical of Bernie, generally just really really tired of the Trump show.

But Maher is dead on with this one. Infectious disease epidemiologists have known for decades (they were teaching us this in epidemiology 101 back in 1998) that zoonotic, species to species transmission of novel viruses was absolutely one of the top threats to international public health. As humans move into, with greater numbers, native “resevoirs” (pools/environments with previously unknown microbial diseases) you will have ever more opportunity for mutation as microbes jump species.

The wet markets of China (and, to be fair, many other countries of Southeast Asia and Western Africa as well) are the primary culprits in this. Daily, close proximity (ingestion !) of wildlife is basically begging for zoonotic transmission.

There’s not a whole lot of room for debate on this one. Yeah, let’s shame the hell out of China and whatever other governments that tolerate these markets. Enough already.

FjwLTx wrote:

The virus should be called "Wuhan Virus," and if you want to be technical, the disease it causes is "COVID19"

Actually the outbreak might have started from Ft Detrick in Maryland at the start of or prior to August, 2019, so you could just as call call it the Ft. Detrick virus. Also, I'm pretty sure there have been at least 2 covid19 viruses, one of them being an older strain of it.

I am personally not convinced that the virus does anything more dangerous nor is any more contagious than the common cold flu virus that has been around forever.

Also, it is possible that viruses don't actually "cause" anything, but rather are harmless byproducts (like histamine or mucous) of some other type of toxicity in the body, for example biocides, bio toxins, unhealthy conditions, electrical magnetic fields and so on. This would mean that people don't actually "catch" a virus from each other, but rather are exposed to similar conditions and/or toxins etc, and have a similar reaction which has to do with a virus. I have personally felt this way for quite a long time, and there are scientists who have expressed a similar rational.

could just as *well

any vaccine will be to pacify ... wrote:

Cultures develop food choices out of necessity. There was a famine problem in China in 1970s. Other cultures also have disgusting food choices. Hot dogs, sausages, pig feet and pig intestines in U.S. are disgusting food choices. It's a matter of time with U.S. food choices. One day, Chinese will be wondering why do disgusting Americans eat hot dogs and sausages.

Ignoring the original post (I don't really have an opinion on Bill Maher and whatever his public perception is, you speak as someone who clearly knows nothing about China.

We (and I do mean we, as someone who is of Chinese descent) eat pig feet, pig intestines, and sausages. The sausages are cured slightly differently and have a much higher fat content, and have a sweet as well as savory flavor imparted, but they are indeed sausages.

We don't have hot dogs, but we do very much enjoy eating "Korean Corn Dogs", which are really just American Corn Dogs with different flavoring.

We also eat fish head, fish brain, chicken feet, duck feet, chicken heart, chicken gizzard, chicken liver, chicken neck, beef tongue, duck brain, shrimp head, and pig blood, among a hundred other foods that would be questioned by American tastes. Speaking bluntly, we have FAR more questionable meat choices in China compared to what I have seen in the US. And this is from someone who has eaten and enjoys every food on the aforementioned list. In fact, I rarely go a WEEK without eating at least one of these things.

If you're going to try and defend China, at least do it CORRECTLY.

I am more annoyed that he can't look at the camera.

That's so cute that you think there is rational thought and discourse on the right.

>Racist" is their primal screech meant to shut down rational thought and discourse.

everyone needs to stop eating any meat. you'll be faster too

I saw an article that Russia is really firing up the propaganda engine for some insane conspiracy theory about Bill Gates and COVID19.

Is thread about people falling for that?

wonderingaboutthetrolls wrote:

I saw an article that Russia is really firing up the propaganda engine for some insane conspiracy theory about Bill Gates and COVID19. Is thread about people falling for that?

If they're trying to say that he's not a lunatic, that's definitely a conspiracy theory!

YMMV wrote:

Help me to understand wrote:

It appears that many doctors and virus specialist don't either. It's hard to blame people when the experts aren't 100% sure how to proceed.

The "experts" aren't even 10% sure on how to proceed. This is a massive case of the "Emperor's New Clothes" for the medical/research community. All of those white coats do not confer wisdom, they only confirm orthodoxy.

And you're a medical expert, so you know this? Or you are just talking out your rear? I'd like to know what you think if you have to go to hospital in an emergency.

any vaccine will be to pacify ... wrote:

Cultures develop food choices out of necessity. There was a famine problem in China in 1970s. Other cultures also have disgusting food choices. Hot dogs, sausages, pig feet and pig intestines in U.S. are disgusting food choices. It's a matter of time with U.S. food choices. One day, Chinese will be wondering why do disgusting Americans eat hot dogs and sausages.

Any more to add to this pile of irrelevant trivia? This pandemic has absolutely NOTHING to do with cultural relativity.

The 2003 SARS coronavirus pandemic also originated in a live-animal market in China. That has been established in studies that examined the viral DNA. So the Chinese government has had 17 YEARS to address this problem, and they've failed disastrously.

Maher is absolutely right. The Chinese government must ban the sale of live animals at these markets. And it must enforce that ban with all the authoritarian zeal it possesses. And it possesses a lot. If it can censor the Internet, it sure as hell can halt the sale of live animals within its own borders.

If China wants to continue to benefit from participating in the global economy, it must prove to the world that it can do so without threatening the very survival of the human species.

jamin wrote:

I find myself agreeing with Bill Maher on about 60% of things. He seems to be a true independent thinker, doesn't parrot talking points of either the Right or Left.

He's a racist POS.

Alberto wrote:

[quote]any vaccine will be to pacify ... wrote:

If China wants to continue to benefit from participating in the global economy, it must prove to the world that it can do so without threatening the very survival of the human species.

You have got to be kidding me. Let’s see, this country has a terrible civil rights record, sweatshops are its bread and butter, it’s pollution is probably the worst in the world. But we should stop their wet markets.

I’m done with this place

"i saw an article"

Why would Russia want people to think that Bill Gates is involved with covid-19?