agip wrote:
Trump has consistently getting just 43% of the vote vs. Biden. Not even R voter suppression and the electoral college can make up for that.
Those polls do not factor in Green Party and Libertarian Party. Political parties besides G.O.P. and D.N.C. will total at least 2% and could be over 5%. If Biden were to win, it would be down to counting chads in some county.
Bernie Bros are morons. This election is really about the Supreme Court. Whoever wins is going to put 2-3 justices on the court, a change that could impact us for 20-30 years. Any young person who is liberal or progressive needs to vote for Biden strictly on that basis alone, or with a Trump victory they will potentially spend the majority of their adult life with a far-right Supreme Court. At their age, neither Joe or Bernie was likely to be a two-term president. The impact of the Supreme Court will be felt far longer than the impact of either of these candidates.
coach wrote:
Hopefully Bernie will continue to press his agenda, an agenda which would be saving lives, putting less stress on the health care system, an agenda which would bring the average American less fear and more hope.
And the mainstream Democrats will continue to ignore him, alas.
I have a confession...
I am sexually attracted to President Trump :(
Trump will find a way to spin this; every Republican politician will be thanking him for keeping us alive and reminding us how dire things would be if Hillary were in charge. If there are fewer than a few hundred thousand deaths he will win easily.
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
Bernie Bros are morons. This election is really about the Supreme Court. Whoever wins is going to put 2-3 justices on the court, a change that could impact us for 20-30 years. Any young person who is liberal or progressive needs to vote for Biden strictly on that basis alone, or with a Trump victory they will potentially spend the majority of their adult life with a far-right Supreme Court. At their age, neither Joe or Bernie was likely to be a two-term president. The impact of the Supreme Court will be felt far longer than the impact of either of these candidates.
Timmy gets it. x1000.
Precious Roy wrote:
In 2004 and 2008, Dennis Kucinich ran on an identical platform as Bernie in the Dem primary and was basically laughed at. He never got out of single digits in the primaries. The Democratic progressive caucus was tiny in congress.
In 2016, Bernie nearly upset one of the most powerful Dem establishment candidates in primary history by running on many of the same progressive issues that Kucinich ran on. Since then, the progressive caucus in Congress has grown and new stars like AOC and the "squad" were born.
Bernie's 2020 campaign set records for small donor fundraising and volunteer participation. A majority of Americans were now supporting proposals like M4A and $15 minimum wage. Bernie has done more to move the US towards progressive politics than anyone in the past 50 years.
Bernie's ultimate downfall was that he was too principled and too nice to be able to defeat the Dem establishment. Bernie refused to try to make deals with powerful people like Sen. Jeffries to get key endorsements because he was too principled to compromise his positions to win support from the Dem establishment. He swore off super pac money even as Warren took millions in super pac money just to run attack ads against Bernie before super Tuesday. He steadfastly refused to attack Biden, even as Harris and others landed pretty significant blows against Biden early.
But for coronavirus, Biden would have had a very difficult path to beat Trump. But some very key states are suffering due to Republican mismanagement of the virus response. Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana and PA are all having a very tough time. If these states continue to suffer well into June, it will be impossible for Trump to just blame China and WHO. It will be even worse if congressional action is all just 2008 style top down relief packages that lead to a long and deep recession this summer through the fall. People will be happy to have a sundowning Biden over a completely incompetent Trump.
Bernie isn't as popular as people think. He, arguably, did better four years ago than he did this time around. If anything, he exposed that most Americans don't want to go to far to the left. AOC won in a district she should have won. Dems flipped the House due to moderate candidates in swing districts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/08/sanders-is-out-insincere-praise-begins/He faced age, heart attack, and determined moderate unity in donors and media outlets, as well as the party. When Biden won easily in South Carolina, that also showed that Bernie was headed to another landslide loss throughout the South because the black vote was loyal to Obama's sergeant, just as it was loyal to Clinton's wife. The heart attack raised extra questions about his age, whereas Joe Biden, merely a year younger and much less coherent, almost never had his age specifically raised. Those constant Sydney Ember attack pieces in the New York Times (the "reporter" who covered him in opinion pieces lightly disguised as reportage), along with almost all the Times columnists, repeatedly mentioned his age but said nothing about Biden's. They also raised the alarm against him as if his policies were dangerous to their true interests. They portray themselves usually as strong Democrats, but when a candidate actually has Democratic ideas, they are horrified. Well, now the coronavirus has shown just how necessary universal health insurance and a range of other Bernie Sanders proposals are, so let's hope that there is significant movement in that direction.
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Trump is in trouble with Biden as the nominee, period.
Pennsylvania - Trump won this battleground, big electoral college state in a squeaker in 2016. Biden is going to run his patented "Native son of Scranton, hard scrabble blue collar guy" playbook in PA. Biden wins Pennsylvania in 2020.
Florida - Have you seen the latest polling? Biden has big leads in most and they run even in polls run by more conservative leaning organizations. That is not good news for Trump.
Wisconsin - If the GOP stunt in this battleground yesterday creates a surge in COVID-19 cases, kiss this one goodbye! Clinton barely lost and never campaigned in the state. If Uncle Joe does a late October rally in Milwaukee...
Michigan - Another "just barely" win for Trump in 2016. If "That woman", Governor Gretchen Whitmer turns out the union vote or is the VP candidate, Trump loses Michigan by 3-5%.
Kentucky - Yes! Kentucky. The new Democrat governor is a rock star and is building a huge following with his pandemic response and daily TV briefings that are 180 degrees removed from the WH crap show. Mitch McConnell fatigue and the destruction caused by former Gov. Matt Bevin could swing this state blue. The Northern Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati, OH put Gov. Beshear over the top. They may also turn out strong for Biden and Lt. Col. Amy McGrath in the Senate race.
Ohio - GOP Governor Mike DeWine is extremely popular and he shut down the Buckeye State very quickly over the objections of the White House. The state still leans GOP but, it could shift towards Biden if union voters are reminded that Trumped bashed DeWine and failed to re-open the shuttered Lordstown GM plant like he promised in early 2017.
We messed up again America. As far as politicians go, Bernie was legit.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Bernt out!!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/04/08/bernie-sanders-drops-out-2020-presidential-race-joe-biden-surges/4919641002/
Dullard - Biden is beating Trump by 6 points in Florida currently. No way he wins if that gap stays.
so the Democrats have pretty much conceded defeat already.
of all the available options how the heck did they end up with Joe Biden?
congrats of the second term Trump.
land of enchantment wrote:
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
Bernie Bros are morons. This election is really about the Supreme Court. Whoever wins is going to put 2-3 justices on the court, a change that could impact us for 20-30 years. Any young person who is liberal or progressive needs to vote for Biden strictly on that basis alone, or with a Trump victory they will potentially spend the majority of their adult life with a far-right Supreme Court. At their age, neither Joe or Bernie was likely to be a two-term president. The impact of the Supreme Court will be felt far longer than the impact of either of these candidates.
Timmy gets it. x1000.
But you do realise Timmy's post is lost on an audience like this.
land of enchantment wrote:
How did that hardcore base turn out for Bernie in the primaries?
About 68 percent for Bernie, and 9 percent for Biden.
I was a sanders supporter. I’m now voting for trump in the primary. Biden told wealthy donors at a fundraiser “nothing would fundamentally change” with him as potus. Biden and trump are the same.
So I’m choosing trump because he can talk coherently, even if he does speak garbage.
That’s the litmus test for American voters.... how people sound and talk.... not policy or record (or brains). so I’m unifying with the American populace on their intellectual voting criteria and voting for the one who talks better.
Many Bernie supporters feel the same but will go Green Party. many wont turn out. See 2016.
Biden is toast.
And That’s why the DNC chose him, to lose to Trump. Trump’s tax breaks are just too good for dems and democrat donors. Marching orders from corporate.
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I can’t see Biden losing any of the states that Hillary won. That’s 232 EV. I could be wrong, but I would bet that Biden as the nominee puts Michigan and Pennsylvania solidly in the leaning Democratic side. That’s 268. Biden has at least a 50% chance in the states of WI, FL, AZ and NC. I’m not a statistician, but I would put Biden at odds of 2/1 over Trump right now. To use a football analogy, in 2016 Trump was something akin to a 17 point underdog who throws some Hail Marys and gets a critical turnover or two of game day to pull off the upset. It doesn’t mean that the underdog team wasn’t a real underdog just because it won. Occasionally a 17 point underdog will win, but they usually lose. The same Bernie Bro and third party candidate factors that could affect Biden ere very much in play in 2016, but Hillary lost those swing states by razor thin margins. So Biden will surely come out on top in at least some of them. The possibilities range from very narrow trump win to semi landslide Biden win. Bottom line: Trump may be re-elected, but the odds are against him.
agip wrote:
Trump has consistently getting just 43% of the vote vs. Biden. Not even R voter suppression and the electoral college can make up for that.
That's actually pretty solid for Trump considering a lot of young people polled, who lean left, won't actually vote.
Only reason why the Democratic party would support Biden is because, in his old state of senility with mild dementia he would be EASY to manipulate into doing their bidding.
Biden essentially won't be running the country as much as Trump is running his presidency. Biden would be a total puppet. Look at the senile early-dementia fool. He can barely remember what day of the week it is.