Bey Facts Matter - remember last year when we had mass graves for the flu victims.
Don't worry - it's just a flu bro.
Bey Facts Matter - remember last year when we had mass graves for the flu victims.
Don't worry - it's just a flu bro.
.66% is 6.6x as deadly as the flu. Seems pretty bad!
birdbeard wrote:
.66% is 6.6x as deadly as the flu. Seems pretty bad!
So, according to the CDC, this year we've had 24,000 deaths and "at least" 39,000,000 cases of flu. That would put this year's flu mortality rate at about .06%
So, if you use that .66% number, then CV is over 10 times more lethal than current flu statistics.
If you use worldometer's current stats, then we have 426,300 confirmed cases and 14,622 deaths, which shows 3.4% mortality. That would suggest CV is roughly 56 times more lethal, correct?
Also, one might point out that studies suggest that the transmission rate "RO" value for the flu is around 1.3, while if unchecked by social distancing the RO value for CV is over 2.
Pig bacon killed more people in the U.S. last year than Covid 19 will ever kill.
Heart disease/Baconitis: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-br-infant-death-coronavirus-positive-20200404-54z75ceqzfei7ajtwskc4ncrua-story.htmlbirdbeard wrote:
.66% is 6.6x as deadly as the flu. Seems pretty bad!
"'I don't know the cause of death of this [infant] that you're talking about or any of the people, because we don't determine cause of death,' Cartter said. 'We define lab-confirmed COVID-19 associated deaths as anyone who has symptoms of COVID-19, tests positive on a COVID-19 test before or around the time of death. We do not determine causality.'"
almost 2/3rd of a million wrote:
Pig bacon killed more people in the U.S. last year than Covid 19 will ever kill.
Heart disease/Baconitis: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
I hope I don’t catch pig bacon. Can I get it from my neighbor?
As of yesterday COVID is the leading daily cause of death in the USA.
But don't worry guys, It's just a flu bro.
Where you at Facts Matter? wrote:
But ... it's just a flu bro.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/burden-of-h1n1.html
Ok so you’re comparing the swine flu; a virus that the government did almost nothing about, most people had forgotten about until the last three months and was a blip in the 2008-09 news cycle to COVID-19; a virus that caused the government to put us into a police state, commit economic suicide, increase the national debt by two trillion over night and basically throw out any kind of rights we as Americans have taken for granted since the founding of this country.
Ok fine I’ll state facts and try to make them sound apocalyptic as well . The two month COVID-19 death count just doubled the diarrhea related deaths for all of last year! (Yes this is actually true. Google diarrheal related deaths)
Government caught creating fake corona virus deaths which were due to other causes.
"Fear is a great way to control the people."
Available Statistics wrote:
So, according to the CDC, this year we've had 24,000 deaths and "at least" 39,000,000 cases of flu. That would put this year's flu mortality rate at about .06%
So, if you use that .66% number, then CV is over 10 times more lethal than current flu statistics.
If you use worldometer's current stats, then we have 426,300 confirmed cases and 14,622 deaths, which shows 3.4% mortality. That would suggest CV is roughly 56 times more lethal, correct?
Also, one might point out that studies suggest that the transmission rate "RO" value for the flu is around 1.3, while if unchecked by social distancing the RO value for CV is over 2.
The one piece you're missing is, sure, we have half a million known cases but what about the unknown cases? Kids aren't tending to be symptomatic at all. They tested people coming off cruise ships where everyone had it and half of them had no symptoms (cruise ships tend to have a very high average age). It wouldn't surprise me if there are 5-10x more cases or more than what we know about, particularly among children. And among those whose symptoms are so mild they barely register and the individual doesn't get tested.
Why is this important? Because it shows nowhere near 3% absolute mortality rate. Maybe 3-4% of those who show symptoms strong enough to bring them to the doctor in the first place. Probably less than a tenth of that in absolute terms of everyone who has it. My guess is way less than 0.3%
*was* the leading cause of death for a brief moment.
those other deaths happen in those numbers year round.
Below is a quote from the government form sent to hospitals and doctors:
It is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or was assumed to have caused or contributed to death.
Notice also they keep calling the 2019 virus a DISEASE, but the only proof they have that it's a disease are the figures that they've been creating from other causes of death!
Poster #512 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if there are 5-10x more cases or more than what we know about, particularly among children. And among those whose symptoms are so mild they barely register and the individual doesn't get tested.
Why is this important? Because it shows nowhere near 3% absolute mortality rate. Maybe 3-4% of those who show symptoms strong enough to bring them to the doctor in the first place. Probably less than a tenth of that in absolute terms of everyone who has it. My guess is way less than 0.3%
You are pulling numbers out of the air to help your argument. You say 5-10 times more cases are unreported. Why not just say 10-20 times? Or 20-30 times?
Are government policy makers supposed to make decisions because "it wouldn't surprise you that 5-10 times known cases are unreported"?
Your "guess is way less than 0.3" mortality.
Forgive me if I am unconvinced. What if you're wrong?
F it, it we’re going to panic lets throw everything on the table...Anyone got stats for cases of cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and autism along with future projections.
Let's tackle that Alzheimer's issue right now by all means. What is your proposal to decrease deaths due to it? I notice that you didn't mention other PREVENTABLE deaths such as gun homicides. If you see a new threat to tens of thousands of Americans, do what you can to stop it from becoming a threat to hundreds of thousands or even millions.
First, gov't acted swiftly to identify H1N1 and to produce a vaccine, which was in production within weeks and used in the fall. Second, deaths were kept to 12,419 in 2009-10, but that flu was a tough one. I remember we were quite wiped out by it for a month. I kept running 100+ mpw but had to stop and hack stuff out a lot. It was easily the worst flu I've ever had in terms of the throat/lungs.
Even if the flu only kills 10% of what Covid-19 does, that's still way too many. We need to continue the lockdowns indefinitely. No life lost to disease justifies excessive freedom of the populace.
Where you at Facts Matter? wrote:
As of yesterday COVID is the leading daily cause of death in the USA.
But don't worry guys, It's just a flu bro.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1830480/
That's a powerful data visualization. The CDC has now started plugging in COVID data into its system it uses to track the FLU in real-time, taking out pneumonia cases known to be related to the Flu. The result appears to give an upward number of what missed cases could be early on and should be useful lag measure to follow amid all the arguing about numbers.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htmData as of April 8, 2020
Week ending date in which the death occurred
-- All COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1)1 (Column 1)
-- Deaths from All Causes (Column 2)
-- Percent of Expected Deaths2 (Column 3)
-- All Pneumonia Deaths3 (J12.0–J18.9) (Column 4)
-- Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-193 (J12.0–J18.9 and U07.1) (Column 5)
Total Deaths 3,307 490,389 85 28,475 1,410
02/01/20 0 56,266 95 3,002 0
02/08/20 0 56,587 95 3,002 0
02/15/20 0 55,189 94 2,910 0
02/22/20 0 54,761 94 2,872 0
02/29/20 5 54,305 95 2,863 2
03/07/20 18 53,418 92 2,884 7
03/14/20 43 50,580 89 2,869 18
03/21/20 385 47,649 84 3,024 156
03/28/20 1,406 41,353 74 3,164 592
04/04/20 1,450 20,281 36 1,885 635
Facts Matter? wrote:
3) 162 children ages 0-4 have died from the flu and no one cares
Please stop tossing out numbers of dead babiesto score points in an argument. It's hideous. It's not a zero-sum game. We can fight flu and Covid-19 at the same time. It's one of the minor mercies of the current pandemic that it doesn't afflict the young nearly as often as older people. That's no reason at all not to take it seriously.
It's absolutely false to say that no one cares about babies dying of flu. We have massive campaigns every year to convince people to get flu shots. The schools here have days where all the kids can get vaccinated. Some vaccinations can be given soon after birth, but infant immune systems have to develop to a certain extent before they are ready for some vaccinations.
Statistically, the deaths of infants from Covid-19 and influenza are extremely uncommon. Like many marginal phenomena, they don't tell us a lot as pure numbers. An argument based on them will be incredibly weak.
But in real terms each one of these deaths is an unspeakable tragedy and it's disgusting that you're attempting to use them to downplay the threat of an infectious fatal disease. Your point #3 is specious, and If you had normal human emotions you would never have made this argument in the first place.
real info wrote:
Facts Matter? wrote:
3) 162 children ages 0-4 have died from the flu and no one cares
Please stop tossing out numbers of dead babiesto score points in an argument. It's hideous. It's not a zero-sum game. We can fight flu and Covid-19 at the same time. It's one of the minor mercies of the current pandemic that it doesn't afflict the young nearly as often as older people. That's no reason at all not to take it seriously.
It's absolutely false to say that no one cares about babies dying of flu. We have massive campaigns every year to convince people to get flu shots. The schools here have days where all the kids can get vaccinated. Some vaccinations can be given soon after birth, but infant immune systems have to develop to a certain extent before they are ready for some vaccinations.
Statistically, the deaths of infants from Covid-19 and influenza are extremely uncommon. Like many marginal phenomena, they don't tell us a lot as pure numbers. An argument based on them will be incredibly weak.
But in real terms each one of these deaths is an unspeakable tragedy and it's disgusting that you're attempting to use them to downplay the threat of an infectious fatal disease. Your point #3 is specious, and If you had normal human emotions you would never have made this argument in the first place.
The only thing missing from your post was the part where you clutch your pearls and say "I do declare." Pediatric flu deaths in the last 3 weeks were 5 , then 6, then 7. If that was happening with COVID-19, people would absolutely be losing their sh!t. Parents everywhere would be terrified and babies would be wrapped in miles of bubble wrap! It would be terrible.
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