Now 1,000 Americans are dying a day, will the deniers apologize?

John Macardle wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Fauci was saying in Jan and Feb that America had nothing to worry about as to COVID19

Misrepresenting and exaggerating quotes is the sign of a lost argument. Fauci never said that “America has nothing to worry about”.

In fact, that's exactly what he said. Right on tv.

Here is one example.

In the future, check things out before you make pronouncements

Conundrum wrote:

1344 people died just on Saturday. Our first case of covid-19 was identified on January 20th. No flu in modern times has ever had so much damage so quickly. Anyone who pretends coronavirus is like the flu is living in another world.

What's wrong with you people!

I actually don't blame you for not knowing about the 2017/2018 flu season, the fact that you don't happens to be my point. There was no hysteria and 24/7 news coverage with a death ticker.

Per the CDC:

"During the 2017-2018 season, influenza-like-illness (ILI) activity began to increase in November, reaching an extended period of high activity during January and February nationally, and remained elevated through the end of March."

The flu season was October through March and 61,000 died. If we wanted to just divide that equally, that would be more than 10,000 per month, every month, for 6 months. The coronavirus has yet to equal that. January 20th to present is more than 2 months and 9,500 deaths, so, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "No flu in modern times has ever had so much damage so quickly." This is demonstrably false.

Yeah, I know, I know... just wait for the exponential growth that is going to come, and blah, blah, blah, yammer, yammer, yammer. The coronavirus had better get to work pretty soon if it plans on getting to and maintaining that 10,000 per month number. And since we have an ounce of common sense and the CDC tells us that peak flu season that year was in January and February, we know that the deaths were far higher than 10,000 for those months. We know that in February, the peak, it was killing 4,000 per week and that wasn't for just 1 week.

No one can expect you to know about things that were not reported on, so I forgive your ignorance.

Peak Month of Flu Activity 1982-1983 through 2017-2018

Reality and Truth wrote:

Pneumonia deaths in the US appear to be falling off a cliff. Are they now being reclassified at Covid 19 deaths?

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/200205_pneumonia_cliff.png

This is an extremely important post.

It seems almost certain from the numbers that what in the past deaths that were called due to pneumonia are now being called due to Covid19.

What other possible reason could account for this incredible drop in pneumonia deaths?

Then you have to ask why Covid numbers are purposefully being overstated.

The CDC article you quote here advises deaths are estimated based in part on death certificates with an underlying respiratory or circulatory cause. They also advise they estimate the number of pneunomia and influenza deaths jointly.

Giles Corey wrote:

John Macardle wrote:

Misrepresenting and exaggerating quotes is the sign of a lost argument. Fauci never said that “America has nothing to worry about”.

In fact, that's exactly what he said. Right on tv.

Here is one example.

In the future, check things out before you make pronouncements

https://saraacarter.com/jan-flashback-dr-fauci-said-coronavirus-is-not-a-major-threat-to-the-people-of-the-united-states/

You proved my point precisely. “Not a major threat” != “nothing to worry about”. Misrepresenting and exaggerating quotes is the sign of a lost argument.

Giles Corey wrote:

Reality and Truth wrote:

Pneumonia deaths in the US appear to be falling off a cliff. Are they now being reclassified at Covid 19 deaths?

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/images/200205_pneumonia_cliff.png

This is an extremely important post.

It seems almost certain from the numbers that what in the past deaths that were called due to pneumonia are now being called due to Covid19.

What other possible reason could account for this incredible drop in pneumonia deaths?

Then you have to ask why Covid numbers are purposefully being overstated.

So what is your theory? Who is behind this insidious plot? And you have not responded to whether or not you think China overreacted and shut down their economy without any real justification - and if so, why? Maybe Facts Matter can chime in, or are you both the same poster?

And saying it was not something we should worry about RIGHT NOW is the actual quote. Leaving out the end kills your credibility.

Today Anthony Fauci is held up by the media as a national hero of the pandemic response and the only reason to listen to a White House coronavirus briefing. Yet, rewind the clock back to January and his public statements .....

In a Jan. 23 Journal of the American Medical Association podcast, Dr. Fauci repeatedly downplayed the virus’ potential impact on the U.S., noting that all five cases here were travelers from China. He also noted that due to limited testing in China, the number of infections was likely much higher than official counts, meaning that the death rate of the virus was likely much lower than feared.

Asked whether the U.S. might contemplate city-wide shutdowns like those China was enacting at the time, Fauci replied, “There's no chance in the world that we could do that to Chicago or to New York or to San Francisco, but they're doing it. So, let's see what happens.”

Most importantly, he added that it was still quite possible the Chinese could get control of the outbreak and prevent it from becoming a global issue, and that even if there were more cases in the U.S., “the CDC, as usual, is on top of things.”

A day later, Dr. David Heymann, the former head of WHO’s response to SARS, offered that, unlike SARS, the coronavirus “looks like it doesn’t transmit through the air very easily and probably transmits through close contact,” in contrast with recent guidance that it can spread simply through breathing.

The same day, Fauci emphasized that other coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS could not sustain person-to-person spread like the flu and that such viruses “maybe never will.” For its part, WHO noted that no person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 had been reported outside of China and that all of the deaths had been limited to that country.

Giles Corey wrote:

Then you have to ask why Covid numbers are purposefully being overstated.

You seem to be confusing me with others, I have never questioned either set of numbers. I accept the COVID-19 numbers as they are reported as I do the CDC flu numbers.

The flu season was October through March and 61,000 died.

The CDC actually reported they began using new methodology in 2017/18 and they estimate 61000 flu-related deaths - covid death numbers aren’t estimated and are consistent with methodology used in reporting of flu related deaths.

Colin Powell wrote:

So what is your theory? Who is behind this insidious plot? And you have not responded to whether or not you think China overreacted and shut down their economy without any real justification - and if so, why? Maybe Facts Matter can chime in, or are you both the same poster?

Obviously the Fake News Media and the Deep State are behind the conspiracy.

Facts Matter? wrote:

You're an idiot.

Says the guy who keeps comparing the flu to coronavirus despite every explanation from an actual epidemiologist or anyone, for that matter, in the medical field.

Facts Matter? wrote:

You seem to be confusing me with others, I have never questioned either set of numbers. I accept the COVID-19 numbers as they are reported as I do the CDC flu numbers.

Can you validly compare estimates with actuals though and draw any truly meaningful conclusion?

And we have significantly more flu deaths than Kung Flu deaths.

How to completely miss the previous post showing that pneumonia deaths are way, way down meaning that deaths being called Covid related or linked would have occurred anyway and been called pneumonia

land of enchantment wrote:

[quote]Facts Matter? wrote:

You're an idiot.

Says the guy who keeps comparing the flu to coronavirus despite every explanation

You can compare numbers of deaths due to different reasons you know.

No?

Think About It wrote:

Facts Matter? wrote:

You seem to be confusing me with others, I have never questioned either set of numbers. I accept the COVID-19 numbers as they are reported as I do the CDC flu numbers.

Can you validly compare estimates with actuals though and draw any truly meaningful conclusion?

So I understand you correctly, you now don't believe the CDC?

Facts Matter? wrote:

Think About It wrote:

Can you validly compare estimates with actuals though and draw any truly meaningful conclusion?

So I understand you correctly, you now don't believe the CDC?

No not at all - I’m trying to show how you are misrepresenting what the CDC is saying.

You stated 61000 died of the flu - the CDC actually said it estimates 61000 have a flu related cause of death - and that’s quite different.