German Professor of Medicine Sucharit Bhakdi lays out Coronavirus hysteria in simple terms

jesseriley wrote:But this is what’s necessary ...

See, these are the sorts of things people state as facts, that are not facts, and should not be stated as facts.

If you choose to believe that universal confinement is the best possible course of action, that's fine, but that belief is not actually based in fact and you should know that.

I'm starting to wonder if a large part of the population truly cannot cognitively distinguish between facts and opinions. Maybe I'm late to that party.

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jamin wrote:

Ummm I never denied the seriousness of COVID-19.

I'm a major hypochondriac. For example, I had a surgeon cut a lump out of my neck even though two different doctors checked it out and told me 100% it's just some fibrous thing probably an irritation from shaving.

I'm a numbers guy and the numbers tell me that our chance of having some serious medical complication from COVID-19 versus some other serious medical complication in our liftime is about 0.0000001%.

Let's take that $2 trillion and invest into research for cures for Colon Cancer, Parkisons, Breast Cancer, Alcheizmers, Epilepsy, Asthma, Lukemia, Diabetes, Liver Cancer, ...

Uh, 0.0000001% equates to 1 in a billion. There are 7+ billion people in the world so only 7 people should ever die worldwide according to your probability. Incorrect.

Sorry about the sarcastic remark Jamin. Seattle Times backs you up. People with other conditions are suffering and Seattle isn't getting the expected surge. It sounds like it's not much of a crisis in Seattle. Flatten the curve may have worked up there. Could they just re-open soon? I really don't get this virus. NYC is a disaster, but Seattle is faring well. Is it because I don't understand exponential growth.

BS, Inslee has plenty of facts to offer otherwise, and a doc was fired for reporting the shortages.

The doc suggested outrageous protocols like triageing in a tent outside to prevent the spread of the virus to other people in the hospital. He noted the shortage of PPE & the workers who’d been infected.

I'm trying to be objective and not deal with absolutes. I see both sides.

Seattle has been expecting a big surge for weeks. They haven't really got it yet. You can't say they've been overwhelmed. Ran low on PPE, maybe. Fix that and maybe Seattle can re-open sooner?

Perhaps this is what Jamin and local Seattle-ites are seeing. Seattle's early shutdown may have worked. In fact, it may have worked too well if people with other serious conditions aren't getting care.

PPE keeps workers from dying while trying to save lives. You don’t see it nor do you care.

year of the rat wrote:

Sorry about the sarcastic remark Jamin. Seattle Times backs you up. People with other conditions are suffering and Seattle isn't getting the expected surge. It sounds like it's not much of a crisis in Seattle. Flatten the curve may have worked up there. Could they just re-open soon? I really don't get this virus. NYC is a disaster, but Seattle is faring well. Is it because I don't understand exponential growth.

What happened is the virus ran its course. It's been around here since Nov-Dec of last year. The shutdown policy only "worked" in the sense that there was no real shutdown to begin with.

Trails in the city are jam-packed, you see couples walking on them holding hands, workaholic employees who had been allowed WFH were still going into their offices through last week (some companies had to threaten to remove badge access to building doors), people are still rummaging their hands through avocados at the grocery store to feel whether they are ripe, etc.

Try working in a hospital w/o PPE hypocrite.

year of the rat wrote:

In fact, it may have worked too well if people with other serious conditions aren't getting care.

Correct. People are suffering excruciating pain and death from the 99.9999% of medical complications which aren't COVID-19, while doctors sit idle due to government mandate. The local hospital is a ghost town, besides a small corner reserved for COVID-19 patients, and administrative staff and medical professionals have been getting laid off left and right.

Name the local hospital and cite the source, Jamin.

Renato Corona wrote:

jesseriley wrote:But this is what’s necessary ...

See, these are the sorts of things people state as facts, that are not facts, and should not be stated as facts.

If you choose to believe that universal confinement is the best possible course of action, that's fine, but that belief is not actually based in fact and you should know that.

I'm starting to wonder if a large part of the population truly cannot cognitively distinguish between facts and opinions. Maybe I'm late to that party.

a) it should be obvious that what you quoted was an opinion. do we really need to put imho after every statement?

b) this is a crisis whether you think it should be or not. both sides of the issue are dealing in unknowns because there aren’t enough facts

On the contrary, Seattle stay at home is working well. I was at the grocery store last night and safe distancing was in practice. I work at a Seattle business and it is shut down. Being an essential employee, i had to go in briefly for a few hours and no one was there. People are stepping up and doing what is necessary. Running clubs, for example, have been cancelled and continue to not meet. Businesses are closed.

YOU, JAMIN, ARE ONCE AGAIN SPREADING MISINFORMATION TO FURTHER YOUR OWN BELIEFS AND VIEWPOINTS.

Furthemore, many, if not most of us, are very proud of the leadership shown by our Governor Jay Inslee. I wish there was more of it higher up the ladder.

jamin wrote:

Here's another "quack" from Germany:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI&feature=emb_title

Hey Jamin,

I’m obviously no where near as wise and insightful as you, do could you tell me when that video was made. I’m sure it was produced in the last day or so and reflects the current state? Or maybe it was from like two weeks ago and he acknowledges that 8-900 people dying a day in Italy would be within the range of a typical flu season?

I just need some guidance because I know you wouldn’t post something several weeks old from a politician/scientist that criticizes the motivation of scientists who want to be politicians while making questionable claims based on data that seems outdated given the current actual real data in Italy and Spain.

(FYI it was published March 13 so that was over two weeks ago and most of his assumptions on Italy at least are disproven, Spain data also refutes his claims and German data is not trending in a way that supports his claims)

And by the way, Jamin, death toll in Germany yesterday was already 82. Quite a bit more than the outdated article you posted claiming there would be 30 per day on a 100 day average.

And it is only getting started in Germany. They are described as 18 days behind Italy, and Italy is reporting 889 deaths yesterday.

The numbers of the article you sighted are based on questionable numbers and you need to revise your assertions now that that has come to light.

And let me emphesize, the 82 were deaths IN ONE DAY.

Total death toll is already 433.

seattle prattle wrote:

And let me emphesize, the 82 were deaths IN ONE DAY.

Total death toll is already 433.

The Flu kills 100 people a day. What's the issue?

jesseriley wrote:

It will weed out the herd of trumpanzees

Jesse,

Only a demented, psychotic would wish for the demise of another person, especially over political differences, yet you can be relied on to do so.

Demeaning people in the manner that you do illustrates the factual intolerance of people on your end of the political spectrum. Why people continue to engage in serious conversation with you is beyond rational comprehension as your mental illness is clear and it disqualifies any opinions which you hold.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and get psychiatric help and stop venting your hatred on a running message board.

Oh and full disclose, I didn't vote for the Trump in 2016, but plan to in 2020, so go on and call me a name. Coming from you it will have no value or bearing on my life.

seattle prattle wrote:

And let me emphesize, the 82 were deaths IN ONE DAY.

Total death toll is already 433.

82 / day means a less than 4% increase in average deaths per day, a very minor bump that is expected during a season when a disease is spreading around.

The real National Emergency is a couple miles from us, on Sand Point Way, children dying of an uncurable disease that over 50% of us will get sometime in our lives, a 70% mortality rate over 5 years and 52% percent mortality rate over 10 years.