We need a national lockdown. Now.

TTH wrote:

Slowing the progress down also allows for more time to develop a vaccine and/or cure.

Right, but that’s projected to take about a year if I’m not mistaken, and we can’t afford to shut the world down for another 9-12 months.

You are correct. No way our economy survives a continued shut down. Let people start missing several paychecks and see how they feel about sitting home while are are perfectly healthy. Once the paychecks stop, perspectives will change. Can’t buy groceries based on principle. You can be certain that as bailouts are funded and the system crashes, taxes will rise for everyone going forward. Three trillion will require it, so think about that while we all sit at home.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The truth is this: if we don't take it seriously the economic collapse will last a lot longer. If every single person in America stayed inside for 3 weeks, then we can go back to normal after 3 weeks. Instead, people will keep thinking it's not a big deal so this thing will last 6 months. 6 months of economic collapse is far worse than 3 weeks.

This is pretty much the discussion in our household. If we get the all clear, shouldn't we expect another wave of sorts as people start to mingle again? I saw some meme about, "Hey, just think, when this is over, the stadiums will be packed again, you'll be waiting for a table...etc. And we'll be happy we took the precautions." Well, what is the benchmark we're looking at for a return to "normal?" Let's say 20,000 people go to a ballgame, the next week it's 30,000, but then those areas get hit again? I'm not fearing doomsday, but some people are really freaking out about the the timeline, and can't bring themselves to look at their own situations as one day at a time, indefinitely. We're gonna get rocked by depression (as in clinical depression).

The malaria and hiv drugs are working in moderate cases extremely well. They have had zero affect in critical cases.

So while they may definitely be able to help some people they do nothing for severe cases.

rg2 wrote:

The problem with taking screenshots or referencing all these posts with this sensationalized propaganda, is WHEN this is found to be a big over reaction these people aren’t going to admit that they are simple minded media controlled robots. They’re going to say well, it’s less severe then we thought because we did take the steps and lockdown the country or come up with some other excuse.

Exactly. They'll be calling themselves heroes, claiming they saved us from certain doom by destroying everything.

How does this compare to H1N1 (swine flu)?

I realize SARS barely had any cases compared to these, but H1N1 did have lots of cases.

From a few minutes of googling, H1N1 primarily hurt children instead of elderly, and had a less dangerous (less subtle & long) incubation period, but its numbers went pretty high.

How did WHO & the CDC react to that, compared with this?

(I don't care about any trolls or demented turnips or political hacks; only interested in the science.)

The US federal and state administrations did not react in the way we're seeing now.

seriousquestion wrote:

How does this compare to H1N1 (swine flu)?

I realize SARS barely had any cases compared to these, but H1N1 did have lots of cases.

From a few minutes of googling, H1N1 primarily hurt children instead of elderly, and had a less dangerous (less subtle & long) incubation period, but its numbers went pretty high.

How did WHO & the CDC react to that, compared with this?

(I don't care about any trolls or demented turnips or political hacks; only interested in the science.)

The US federal and state administrations did not react in the way we're seeing now.

H1n1 affected 100m+ Americans and killed less than ten thousand. When all was said and done, the fatality rate was about .02% - very far away from the 3-4% we see with covid 19.

pointzero wrote:

seriousquestion wrote:

How does this compare to H1N1 (swine flu)?

I realize SARS barely had any cases compared to these, but H1N1 did have lots of cases.

From a few minutes of googling, H1N1 primarily hurt children instead of elderly, and had a less dangerous (less subtle & long) incubation period, but its numbers went pretty high.

How did WHO & the CDC react to that, compared with this?

(I don't care about any trolls or demented turnips or political hacks; only interested in the science.)

The US federal and state administrations did not react in the way we're seeing now.

H1n1 affected 100m+ Americans and killed less than ten thousand. When all was said and done, the fatality rate was about .02% - very far away from the 3-4% we see with covid 19.

Quit exaggerating. Covid mortality is 1.1% and dropping.

Too bad you don't that excited for the *99,000 * people that die every year of healthcare-acquired infections:

- 1.7 million Americans develop hospital-acquired infections each year, and 99,000 die of HAIs annually.

- Three-fourths of the infections start in places like nursing homes and doctors' offices.

- The economic burden to the U.S. may be as high as $45 billion per year.

- In 2012, antibiotic-resistant MRSA infections killed more Americans than emphysema, HIV/AIDS,

Parkinson’s disease, and homicide combined.

"99,000" annually - that's about an average of 271 a day. You think this virus is going to end up killing anywhere near this number? Even if it ends up killing 50,000 (doubtful) that is still about half of the deadly healthcare-acquired infections. And the irony of this is that when all is said & done with this virus, and all we move on with our lives, nobody will give a crap about these victims who continually die at a rate of 99,000 per year from preventable infections!

H1n1 affected children at a high rate. COVID 19 almost exclusively is killing old rich white dudes. That is why we are shutting down our economy to save them. I am surprised that the media hasn't caught on.

Solid post!!

In South Korea mortality is 0.6 due to more extensive testing with a population closer to ours in age. It amazes me how many pro athletes are coming back positive yet have no symptoms at all. Seems like it is really bad for old or sick people and Italy's stats back this up with 86% of deaths in over 70 age group and 96% of deaths in over 60 per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_Superiore_di_Sanit%C3%A0

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The truth is this: if we don't take it seriously the economic collapse will last a lot longer. If every single person in America stayed inside for 3 weeks, then we can go back to normal after 3 weeks. Instead, people will keep thinking it's not a big deal so this thing will last 6 months. 6 months of economic collapse is far worse than 3 weeks.

Someone gets it.

I'm not even going to read this thread.

THIS is the week. By the weekend we'll know so much more than we think we know now, it's pointless to talk about it.

Comparisons to H1N1 aren't totally valid. That flu runs Oct-Now. This SARS outbreak is a lot more condensed, and we're on a trajectory that doesn't look good. We don't have the health care capacity to handle it. Very likely we'll have military dump trucks hauling dead bodies away.

We also have people dying from the supposed cure our president mentioned. Seems it causes heart attacks. Nice.

We have a government that wants to direct half of the financial assistance they promised to us, to themselves and their rich buddies. And too many will still falls on swords for them.

We've revealed ourselves to be selfish heathens. TP hoarding, really? Food hoarding, creating a false shortage? Really?

We've killed the economy, even while we've laid bare the people who are actually the lynchpins of our society, yet we'll continue spitting on them when it's all over.

And we've shown that when this happens again, the blowback will finish this country off for real.

world power wrote:

I saw people eating cheeseburgers and going outside without sunscreen and I saw a couple have unprotected sex under the boardwalk.

How did you know it was unprotected?

Jogger Hobby wrote:

The numbers uh, yes like 50 dead today. Meanwhile more people than that died in traffic accidents today. MANY more people than that died from the seasonal flu today as well. Get some perspective and stop letting the mainstream media tell you how and what to think everyday. You're embarrassing yourself.

You need to understand exponential growth. One person infects two people, those two people infect another two each, those four people infect another two people each.... get the idea? Deaths due to traffic accidents don’t grow DAILY like that. And then seasonal flu, again there’s a vaccination and the growth rate is nothing like CV-19.

You need to think about where it will get to if you don’t do something NOW.

Why would you believe anything the S Korean govt claims? They’re as full of bs as the N Koreans when it comes to admitting anything negative about themselves.

he's talking about you too wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The truth is this: if we don't take it seriously the economic collapse will last a lot longer. If every single person in America stayed inside for 3 weeks, then we can go back to normal after 3 weeks. Instead, people will keep thinking it's not a big deal so this thing will last 6 months. 6 months of economic collapse is far worse than 3 weeks.

Someone gets it.

This is correct. And to those saying to just bite the bullet and end any kind of lockdowns after 2 weeks - you are underestimating how bad this can get. If everyone gets sick at once (which is exactly what would happen if people went about their normal lives) then likely millions, including many of the young and healthy, will die. We are fundamentally unprepared for a disaster like this. In some sense we are lucky; if there was a virus with the transmissibility of COVID and the mortality rate of SARS then it could cause a total societal collapse.

Old Hobby Jogger wrote:

You are correct. No way our economy survives a continued shut down. Let people start missing several paychecks and see how they feel about sitting home while are are perfectly healthy. Once the paychecks stop, perspectives will change. Can’t buy groceries based on principle. You can be certain that as bailouts are funded and the system crashes, taxes will rise for everyone going forward. Three trillion will require it, so think about that while we all sit at home.

I'll sit back with popcorn and watch the chaos ensue since I can confidently say "I told ya so.". It is going to happen. Young, particularly energetic people, are the ones most likely to lash out in violence if it comes to that point.

Make people desperate and see the worst of humanity.