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2 years ago 05/19/2024 12:33am EDT

Going to keep adding to this thread.

US Men 5000m All Conditions (Super Shoe Adjusted):

1. Bernard Lagat (2011 Monaco) - 12:43.94 (adjusted)

2. Chris Solinsky (2010 Stockholm) - 12:45.84 (adjusted)

3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2009 Zurich) - 12:46.57 (adjusted)

4. Grant Fisher (2022 Brussels) - 12:46.96

5. Paul Chelimo (2018 Brussels) - 12:47.84 (adjusted)

6. Bob Kennedy (1997 Zurch) - 12:48.49 (adjusted)

7. Matt Tegenkamp (2009 Brussels) - 12:48.83 (adjusted)

8. Galen Rupp (2012 Eugene) - 12:49.17 (adjusted)

9. Sydney Maree (1985 Oslo) - 12:51.39 (adjusted)

10. Woody Kincaid (2023 Boston) - 12:51.61

11. Evan Jager (2013 Brussels) - 12:52.62 (adjusted)

12. Ben True (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:52.96 (adjusted)

13. Hassan Mead (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:53.02 (adjusted)

14. Cooper Teare (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:54.72

15. Joe Klecker (2023 Boston) - 12:54.99

16. Ryan Hill (2015 Brussels) - 12:55.87 (adjusted)

17. Eric Jenkins (2017 Boston) - 12:56.00 (adjusted)

18. Nico Young (2024 Boston) - 12:57.14

19. Chris Derrick (2013 Brussels) - 12:58.19 (adjusted)

20. Lopez Lomong (2020 Portland) - 12:58.78

21. Cole Hocker (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:58.82

22. Adam Goucher (2006 Huesden) - 13:00.13 (adjusted)

23. Matthew Centrowitz (2019 Beaverton) - 13:00.39

24. Emmanuel Bor (2022 Boston) - 13:00.48

25. Alan Webb (2005 Berlin) - 13:00.98 (adjusted)

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:04am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

StatsGuy327 wrote:
Going to keep adding to this thread.
US Men 5000m All Conditions (Super Shoe Adjusted):
1. Bernard Lagat (2011 Monaco) - 12:43.94 (adjusted)
2. Chris Solinsky (2010 Stockholm) - 12:45.84 (adjusted)
3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2009 Zurich) - 12:46.57 (adjusted)
4. Grant Fisher (2022 Brussels) - 12:46.96
5. Paul Chelimo (2018 Brussels) - 12:47.84 (adjusted)
6. Bob Kennedy (1997 Zurch) - 12:48.49 (adjusted)
7. Matt Tegenkamp (2009 Brussels) - 12:48.83 (adjusted)
8. Galen Rupp (2012 Eugene) - 12:49.17 (adjusted)
9. Sydney Maree (1985 Oslo) - 12:51.39 (adjusted)
10. Woody Kincaid (2023 Boston) - 12:51.61
11. Evan Jager (2013 Brussels) - 12:52.62 (adjusted)
12. Ben True (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:52.96 (adjusted)
13. Hassan Mead (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:53.02 (adjusted)
14. Cooper Teare (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:54.72
15. Joe Klecker (2023 Boston) - 12:54.99
16. Ryan Hill (2015 Brussels) - 12:55.87 (adjusted)
17. Eric Jenkins (2017 Boston) - 12:56.00 (adjusted)
18. Nico Young (2024 Boston) - 12:57.14
19. Chris Derrick (2013 Brussels) - 12:58.19 (adjusted)
20. Lopez Lomong (2020 Portland) - 12:58.78
21. Cole Hocker (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:58.82
22. Adam Goucher (2006 Huesden) - 13:00.13 (adjusted)
23. Matthew Centrowitz (2019 Beaverton) - 13:00.39
24. Emmanuel Bor (2022 Boston) - 13:00.48
25. Alan Webb (2005 Berlin) - 13:00.98 (adjusted)

Bekele 12:28

Bekele 25:59

El G 3:23

Daniel Komen 7:13

Super shoe defenders been real quiet since this dropped.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:06am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

Now do the EPO adjusted list….

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:13am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

Supershoes have zero effect on 5000m performances. And even if they did, they would be balanced by the amount of drugs taken back then.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:24am EDT

re: Do the WR

Do the WR wrote:
StatsGuy327 wrote:
Going to keep adding to this thread.
US Men 5000m All Conditions (Super Shoe Adjusted):
1. Bernard Lagat (2011 Monaco) - 12:43.94 (adjusted)
2. Chris Solinsky (2010 Stockholm) - 12:45.84 (adjusted)
3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2009 Zurich) - 12:46.57 (adjusted)
4. Grant Fisher (2022 Brussels) - 12:46.96
5. Paul Chelimo (2018 Brussels) - 12:47.84 (adjusted)
6. Bob Kennedy (1997 Zurch) - 12:48.49 (adjusted)
7. Matt Tegenkamp (2009 Brussels) - 12:48.83 (adjusted)
8. Galen Rupp (2012 Eugene) - 12:49.17 (adjusted)
9. Sydney Maree (1985 Oslo) - 12:51.39 (adjusted)
10. Woody Kincaid (2023 Boston) - 12:51.61
11. Evan Jager (2013 Brussels) - 12:52.62 (adjusted)
12. Ben True (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:52.96 (adjusted)
13. Hassan Mead (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:53.02 (adjusted)
14. Cooper Teare (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:54.72
15. Joe Klecker (2023 Boston) - 12:54.99
16. Ryan Hill (2015 Brussels) - 12:55.87 (adjusted)
17. Eric Jenkins (2017 Boston) - 12:56.00 (adjusted)
18. Nico Young (2024 Boston) - 12:57.14
19. Chris Derrick (2013 Brussels) - 12:58.19 (adjusted)
20. Lopez Lomong (2020 Portland) - 12:58.78
21. Cole Hocker (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:58.82
22. Adam Goucher (2006 Huesden) - 13:00.13 (adjusted)
23. Matthew Centrowitz (2019 Beaverton) - 13:00.39
24. Emmanuel Bor (2022 Boston) - 13:00.48
25. Alan Webb (2005 Berlin) - 13:00.98 (adjusted)
Bekele 12:28
Bekele 25:59
El G 3:23
Daniel Komen 7:13
Super shoe defenders been real quiet since this dropped.

Rudolph Harbig 1.37.23

Jack Lovelock 3.21.45

Ron Clark 12.18.42

Paavo Nurmi 25.37.91

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:25am EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

oh, and Abebe Bikila - 1.57.03 - that brother ran with NO shoes - imagine that.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:35am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

You just have to pick the date cutoff.
All the elites wore versions of supershoes since they debuted.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:41am EDT

re: snowflakes

snowflakes wrote:
Supershoes have zero effect on 5000m performances. And even if they did, they would be balanced by the amount of drugs taken back then.

Why they ask use them?

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:51am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

This doesnt make any sense. Your number 1 runner is not even in the top 10 ever.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:56am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

2 years ago 05/19/2024 1:58am EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
oh, and Abebe Bikila - 1.57.03 - that brother ran with NO shoes - imagine that.

2:18:11

2 years ago 05/19/2024 2:19am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

Adjust Gerry Lindgren’s time coward

2 years ago 05/19/2024 5:18am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

Kipchoge - 1:45:59 if he got to wore the Adidas Evo Pro or whatever it's called

2 years ago 05/19/2024 7:10am EDT

re: what a retarded thread

Oh… that special 2019 race where Centro went 13:00 was his first supershoe race?

2 years ago 05/19/2024 10:23am EDT

re: Hcguvu

Despite the naysayers I find this interesting. Another to look at would be the all time USA men's marathon list. Take out point to point Boston, the short New York times and post super shoes times. Frank's 2:10 at Fukuoka looks pretty good for early 70's (73?)

2 years ago 05/19/2024 10:24am EDT

re: what a retarded thread

No, 2:05 plus without the shoes and pharma.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 10:25am EDT

re: Hcguvu

Hcguvu wrote:
Oh… that special 2019 race where Centro went 13:00 was his first supershoe race?

Yes, Nike athletes were wearing protoype dragonflies beginning in Indoors 2019 — (see Laura Muir shoe controversy from that time). I believe all Bowerman athletes were wearing them in Doha that year at World’s as well

2 years ago 05/19/2024 10:35am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

StatsGuy327 wrote:
Going to keep adding to this thread.
US Men 5000m All Conditions (Super Shoe Adjusted):
1. Bernard Lagat (2011 Monaco) - 12:43.94 (adjusted)
2. Chris Solinsky (2010 Stockholm) - 12:45.84 (adjusted)
3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2009 Zurich) - 12:46.57 (adjusted)
4. Grant Fisher (2022 Brussels) - 12:46.96
5. Paul Chelimo (2018 Brussels) - 12:47.84 (adjusted)
6. Bob Kennedy (1997 Zurch) - 12:48.49 (adjusted)
7. Matt Tegenkamp (2009 Brussels) - 12:48.83 (adjusted)
8. Galen Rupp (2012 Eugene) - 12:49.17 (adjusted)
9. Sydney Maree (1985 Oslo) - 12:51.39 (adjusted)
10. Woody Kincaid (2023 Boston) - 12:51.61
11. Evan Jager (2013 Brussels) - 12:52.62 (adjusted)
12. Ben True (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:52.96 (adjusted)
13. Hassan Mead (2014 Palo Alto) - 12:53.02 (adjusted)
14. Cooper Teare (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:54.72
15. Joe Klecker (2023 Boston) - 12:54.99
16. Ryan Hill (2015 Brussels) - 12:55.87 (adjusted)
17. Eric Jenkins (2017 Boston) - 12:56.00 (adjusted)
18. Nico Young (2024 Boston) - 12:57.14
19. Chris Derrick (2013 Brussels) - 12:58.19 (adjusted)
20. Lopez Lomong (2020 Portland) - 12:58.78
21. Cole Hocker (2024 Los Angeles) - 12:58.82
22. Adam Goucher (2006 Huesden) - 13:00.13 (adjusted)
23. Matthew Centrowitz (2019 Beaverton) - 13:00.39
24. Emmanuel Bor (2022 Boston) - 13:00.48
25. Alan Webb (2005 Berlin) - 13:00.98 (adjusted)

Also, I can quibble with how much I think this list may have gotten some things perfectly right or wrong; but anecdotally I find some interesting things. Our two best milers from 2000 to 2020 (Centro and Webb) having an identical 5000m mark feels appropriate.

Ben True being within a couple seconds of Klecker feels right to me too; while Klecker has been a US Champ and more consistently made teams — True was 6th at World XC and 6th at World’s on the track. Those highlights are better than anything Klecker has done on an international level.

Sydney Maree was really good…

I also find it funny Chris Derrick and Nico Young are back to back. 6 months ago, Chris Derrick would have been a great comparison to Nico’s career. An excellent NCAA career after being a HS phenom. Aerobic machine without a kick that ever put them on top. Now Nico has rewritten that narrative, but I will be curious if his pro career mirrors Derrick’s or if he becomes more like Grant Fisher. Time will tell

2 years ago 05/19/2024 11:00am EDT

re: StatsGuy327

Tarzan Brown won the 1939 Boston marathon wearing bowling shoes. He ran 2:28:51. Adjusted for super shoes: 1:45:03.

2 years ago 05/19/2024 11:06am EDT

re: Moby

Moby wrote:
Hcguvu wrote:
Oh… that special 2019 race where Centro went 13:00 was his first supershoe race?
Yes, Nike athletes were wearing protoype dragonflies beginning in Indoors 2019 — (see Laura Muir shoe controversy from that time). I believe all Bowerman athletes were wearing them in Doha that year at World’s as well

I remember that race when Kincaid went sub 13, followed closely by Lomong and Centro.

The performances seemed to come from nowhere.

For some reason, I don’t remember them saying (post race). “Yes, we now have these special spikes. That made us go way faster”

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