Anyone have Coronavirus on the boards? If so fill us in on severity.

A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:

There are hundreds of thousands or millions more who either have it or have developed the antibodies from fighting it off.

+1

People need to stop gawping at Italy and Spain and have a look at northern continental Europe. German's death rate just ticked up very slightly to .25% out of 9257 cases. Norway has 3 deaths out of 1443 cases, only .20%. Austria, 3 dead out of 1332, .22%.

They're not going to end up with even a 1% death rate, or anywhere near it. This is the new upper bound for how deadly this bug is on a per-case basis. The most plausible explanation is that they are testing more widely than the "hard hit" countries with a lot of hospitalizations, and that the latter have far more infected people than they are reporting.

The upshot of this is it is there will be no containment, and the only effective means of slowing it down is the basic advice they already use for the uncontainable flu and cold viruses: wash your hands, cover your cough, stay home if you're sick. Easy! It worked in China because they actually made people do it, which they don't really do for just cold and flu.

Just focus on that, people, quit with the babbling about massive quarantines and martial law.

And once again, we already have two other coronaviruses that also cause severe pneumonia in the elderly and immunocompromised, which combine to cause one out of every seven common colds. Could be why the health authorities aren't interested in testing everyone. Your "covid-19" could just be yet another OC43.

This sounds like something a russian troll would say.

WWRD wrote:

Non Washington State death rate at about 1% of diagnosed (so lower if un-diagnosed is thrown in). Can anyone site a case yet, of a healthy, under 70, non-smoking, adult has died in the US.? I've read cases (see south carolina and kentucky) where any of their various maladies could have been the cause of death, but it was counted as coronavirus.

But..It's a great click bait headline as he had leukemia, as well.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/soccer-coach-dies-from-coronavirus-at-age-21/

But..It's a great click bait headline as he had leukemia, as well.

My 75 year old aunt sent me that one. And she's worried about my pregnant wife.

I told her she's the one who needs to be most worried.

YMMV wrote:

factcheck wrote:

Factcheck: false

French people smoke a very similar number of cigarettes on average per year as Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita

WTAF is going on with Andorra and Luxemburg?!? More than double the consumption of number 3 (Belarus) at 6400 cigs/person/day. That is 18 cigs for every man woman and child every day! Are they some sort of black market?

They are. As they have a lot of products with no taxes, a lot of Frenchies and Spannishes go shopping in Andorra. Same for Luxembourg with Frenches, Germans and Begians. Actually the consumption of Frenchies is probably an underestimate since basically everyone living close to borders is (or was) shopping abroad for cigarettes. And that includes Italy. We even had people pissed off the Italians wouldn't let them in for buying cigarettes when Italy was quarantined and not yet France... Yes, some of us are as dumb as some of you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:

There are hundreds of thousands or millions more who either have it or have developed the antibodies from fighting it off.

+1

People need to stop gawping at Italy and Spain and have a look at northern continental Europe. German's death rate just ticked up very slightly to .25% out of 9257 cases. Norway has 3 deaths out of 1443 cases, only .20%. Austria, 3 dead out of 1332, .22%.

They're not going to end up with even a 1% death rate, or anywhere near it. This is the new upper bound for how deadly this bug is on a per-case basis. The most plausible explanation is that they are testing more widely than the "hard hit" countries with a lot of hospitalizations, and that the latter have far more infected people than they are reporting.

Bingo. Covid freak outers are hysterical. Its maddening to me. Its like if we wanted to determine average mile time for the population, but picked 80% of the runners from people living in nursing homes for our sample, since they're home during the day.

Using similar measures you'd conclude that Matlock is more popular than Game of Thrones. Fox News is more popular than netflix, etc.

If i were in charge and had enough test kits, I'd test anyone with any respiratory illness whatsoever, so the mortality stat would drop to what it actually is, like 1-2% if not lower. The other day at work, I had a reasonably healthy guy in his 30s telling me he expected the death rate from covid-19 is 8% across all populations and if he weren't so freaked out I would have laughed. People are gripped by utter hysteria.

People are gripped by hysteria, this is a fact.

But people who called Covid19 "just a flu", has been proved dead wrong. The collapse of the Italian healthcare system and the current collapse of the Spanish healthcare systems are something which has never been seen with the flu.

The Covid19 is a mass killer, 80% of the population will barely notice it, have mild syndroms or nothing at all, but will transmit it. And the remaining 20% are in trouble, most will survive, but will need intensive care. Some will have sequels.

And about 1 or 2% will die. If even 1% of 60 millions people die, it's 600 000 dead. At the US scale it's 4 millions. Not pretty.

For what it's worth: I live in New York City, I'm a musician, and many of my friends are musicians as well. Most of us were doing shows right up until the city-mandated closure of venues last week, sharing microphones and exchanging hugs in places crowded with strangers.

I haven't been sick all winter, neither has anyone in my family, professional, or social circles, and furthermore, no one I know even knowsof anyone who's gotten ill.

That's either an anomalous random sampling that doesn't reflect the population as a whole, or as I've long suspected this hysteria is way overblown and unwarranted.

The news media here keeps hammering at the fact that 7 people have (allegedly) died from coronavirus in this city. Looking at that from the opposite side, over 8 million people haven't.

YES. I AM. Be a leader, not a lemming. Lemmings are going to get many other people killed in coming days. GO HOME. You said you CAN work from home, so DO IT. Your CEO should be treated like the criminal he/she is for allowing people to be in the office when they could be at home. IDIOT. Who do you know who will die in coming days?

Star wrote:

My office is open.

People are coming to work.

Your asking me to stay home while everyone else comes in, including the CEO who I report to.

This whole exchange started out with Germany, Norway, Austria etc having proven that the real death rate is nowhere near 1%. They're at about 4 times less than that in their current reporting, and they haven't tested everyone either. Some of their current cases may die too, but Germany is more than 7000 cases in and that hasn't happened yet. Their death rate has been fairly stable where it is and, with their big sample, sets an approximate upper bound for the real death rate.

Nobody knows the real death rate because nobody knows the real number of infected. There is no way to accurately estimate the number of infected without the mountains of historical data that makes that possible for the flu. But certainly it is much higher than the number of reported positives, which people are constantly using to make wild conjectures about deaths in the millions.

Maybe in a few years. But not this year - we're still at 7800 deaths, and even that many is suspect.

JesseIsGarbage wrote:

YES. I AM. Be a leader, not a lemming. Lemmings are going to get many other people killed in coming days.

GO HOME. You said you CAN work from home, so DO IT.

Your CEO should be treated like the criminal he/she is for allowing people to be in the office when they could be at home. IDIOT.

Who do you know who will die in coming days?

Star wrote:

My office is open.

People are coming to work.

Your asking me to stay home while everyone else comes in, including the CEO who I report to.

wrong! Covid is not that dangerous unless you are old AND in bad health. It would be better to work from home so we can end the crazy quarrantines by letting the thing die out, but for those who can't its not that bad. The fact that no one on this board has tested positive for it suggests to me that it is only really bad for unhealthy people. While I don't want anyone to die, they knew the consequences of their actions as they embarked on their unhealthy lifestyles.

Inside,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9FVqwO4TM

This whole thread should be shut down. It's dangerous some of the things people are saying here.

Kenny Ωmega Man wrote:

For what it's worth: I live in New York City, I'm a musician, and many of my friends are musicians as well. Most of us were doing shows right up until the city-mandated closure of venues last week, sharing microphones and exchanging hugs in places crowded with strangers.

I haven't been sick all winter, neither has anyone in my family, professional, or social circles, and furthermore, no one I know even knowsof anyone who's gotten ill.

That's either an anomalous random sampling that doesn't reflect the population as a whole, or as I've long suspected this hysteria is way overblown and unwarranted.

The news media here keeps hammering at the fact that 7 people have (allegedly) died from coronavirus in this city. Looking at that from the opposite side, over 8 million people haven't.

And thanks to the hysteria, you and your fellow musicians will be out of work for months.

I was told by an ER physician (my friend) that I may have had COVID. I'm in the Seattle area, so the timeline works out.

I had symptoms starting the day after the Super Bowl - bit of a sore throat, light fever, lethargy, chills, a bit of a dry cough. I took 2 days off work and running. Then it turned into what felt like bronchitis - a persistent wet cough for 10 days or so. But after the first 2 days, my energy was back to normal and I was running 40-50 mpw. It really took 10-11 days to fully kick the cough, though.

My son goes to an art college. Some of the students come from Wuhan China. They supposedly screened them coming off winter break but I don't know to what extent.

Two weeks after starting the semester he developed a fever, cough, night sweats, etc..,. It lasted for 10 days. Then he got better. End of story. Looking back at it we think he had it. The only thing that does not add up is that his housemates did not get sick.

Thanks Doctor

factcheck wrote:

A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:

France has a smoking epidemic, not a coronavirus epidemic. Sorry these people wanted to destroy their lungs and a virus pushed them to hospitalization. At least they had some good years where smoking made them look super cool.

Factcheck: false

French people smoke a very similar number of cigarettes on average per year as Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita

Older people in Italy smoke a lot, I believe.

Slow Bro wrote:

I was told by an ER physician (my friend) that I may have had COVID. I'm in the Seattle area, so the timeline works out.

I had symptoms starting the day after the Super Bowl - bit of a sore throat, light fever, lethargy, chills, a bit of a dry cough. I took 2 days off work and running. Then it turned into what felt like bronchitis - a persistent wet cough for 10 days or so. But after the first 2 days, my energy was back to normal and I was running 40-50 mpw. It really took 10-11 days to fully kick the cough, though.

Yep, that was it.