You're not the victim here

I understand. I would much rather lose a parent from a heart attack while running an ultra.

I know it's hard to get a grip on reality but occasionally people do in fact die. Death rates are the same in all countries with or without CV. Listen to the CDC and the UK unless you really want to start a global depression over a sniffle

Possible long term lung damage for the 15% seriously infected. This is a big deal. Shut it down.

I know but I enjoy whining anonymously online

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

The UK is on the edge of becoming the next Italy and Iran in all of this. Boris and his retard 'health experts and behavioral psychologists' are going to cavalierly allow many to die as they refuse to instill distancing and discipline.

If anything good comes of COVID-19, it will hopefully be the end of 'leaders' who cannot manage their way in a crisis and operate for the common good.

Dangerous attitude, likely from a young person who hasn't see how ugly life can be. Ph--uu--kk you. Engage in social distancing, hope for the best, and you can cry and moan once we're all coming out of this crisis about how much we overreacted. Hope you don't have elderly or frail family members, because they are in trouble, right now.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

The statistics for this illness have been heavily skewed by the current administration refusing to allow tests to be done. Trump is afraid the numbers will look bad. Now that some of those restrictions have been lifted, and more tests will be taken, we will begin to see the way this has already spread in all of our cities, not just a nursing home in Seattle.

People like Jogger Hobby point to "media-driven panic." In reality, the media and other institutions are doing the job that our incompetent President has failed miserably to recognize should be his.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

Wrong.

Ebola = 2000 dead, coronavirus covid19 = 5600 already.

Soon its going to be more than 1000 per day

Assist feel wrote:

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

Wrong.

Ebola = 2000 dead, coronavirus covid19 = 5600 already.

Soon its going to be more than 1000 per day

It seems to have already run its course in China with a total of a little over 3,000 deaths

Giles Corey wrote:

Assist feel wrote:

Wrong.

Ebola = 2000 dead, coronavirus covid19 = 5600 already.

Soon its going to be more than 1000 per day

It seems to have already run its course in China with a total of a little over 3,000 deaths

China locked down all people in a 50 million people regions for 2-3 months.

Every state will take harsh decisions but it s hard to see them going all out like China.

common cents wrote:

I understand. I would much rather lose a parent from a heart attack while running an ultra.

Your dying of a heart attack while running an ultra might disappoint them. But maybe not.

Asdfasd wrote:

I know 90 percent of people understand this, but not getting to go to your thing, race, whatever, is a minor inconvenience. Dying, on the other hand, kind of a big deal. I do not want to lose a parent over this. It could happen. I have one who is immunocompromised, and I am scared.

High school juniors worrying about the need to race sub-1:50/sub-4:10 800m/1600m to impress universities, cream will rise to the top. Think of what Miruts Yifter went through, spending nine months in prison after 1972 Olympics, African boycott, 1976. Keep a positive attitude.

Did you gals/guys listen to Pence this morning? Free Corona-19 virus testing. Before we get to the fall, all politician will adopt Senator Sander's plans. You got people on ESPN basically saying we need to double athletic grants to make it fair to seniors and freshmen next fall. Might as well just adopt Senator Sanders free public university education. Some how U.S. Congress found an emergency 1.5 trillion to help workers and employers due to Corona-19 virus. That is roughly the same cost as Senator Sanders plan to eliminate student loan debt. It looks like U.S. is adopting democratic socialism with or without Sanders.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Actually we are the victims. 38 dead most of them from ONE nursing home in WA state. H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly. Cancelling everything and shutting down the economy is beyond ridiculous. It's all media driven panic.

Victims? Seriously? You are a "victim" because you can't run in a track meet or watch a basketball game? And because you have to work at home for a month?

There are victims trying to survive in Syria with airstrikes and lack of food or any medical supplies. There were victims that died in the world trade center.

Stop being a baby. You are not a victim. This will pass and your life will probably go on as normal. Is it really too much for you to sacrifice a few months of inconvenience to save even a few hundred lives?

Why do folks think this mess will "all be over" in a few weeks or months? All this cancellation crap and social distancing can't end until there is either a cure or an effective and mass-implementation of vaccine, and that ain't happening in a few months. All this stuff about the need to "flatten the curve" is really about "pacing" the spread of the virus, not the reduction in eventual infection. Unless society adopts self-quarantine and stay-at-home as the "new normal", life is gonna suck for a VERY LONG TIME...

newnormal wrote:

Why do folks think this mess will "all be over" in a few weeks or months? All this cancellation crap and social distancing can't end until there is either a cure or an effective and mass-implementation of vaccine, and that ain't happening in a few months. All this stuff about the need to "flatten the curve" is really about "pacing" the spread of the virus, not the reduction in eventual infection. Unless society adopts self-quarantine and stay-at-home as the "new normal", life is gonna suck for a VERY LONG TIME...

This is not the strategy.

The strategy to flatten the curve is to avoid hospitals getting flooded and overrun by a critical mass of very sick people who would die by lack of ICU equipments.

If you can slow down the spread of the virus for a few months, then immunity will be aquired by the people who are already sick and the potential of sprea will be reduced. That will allow the healthcare system to provide patients in critical state the best conditions.

newnormal wrote:

Why do folks think this mess will "all be over" in a few weeks or months? All this cancellation crap and social distancing can't end until there is either a cure or an effective and mass-implementation of vaccine, and that ain't happening in a few months. All this stuff about the need to "flatten the curve" is really about "pacing" the spread of the virus, not the reduction in eventual infection. Unless society adopts self-quarantine and stay-at-home as the "new normal", life is gonna suck for a VERY LONG TIME...

Apple has already re-opened its stores in China as the infection rate has dropped dramatically (while closing them everywhere else). There will likely be a new normal of not shaking hands, carrying wipes, more video-conferencing, etc. Lessons from this outbreak will make us more prepared for outbreaks in the future so they won't have the same impact.

The idea that life will suck for a "very long time" is an overreaction. Even a year is not a very long time. People will still fall in love, have children - life will go on.

Seriously. Also, how do people not get that the actual threat here is the collapse of our healthcare system? THAT is why these measures are being taken.

It's not that covid-19 itself is some super scary virus - what is scary is the potential for a large number of people to get sick at the same time (vs. something like the flu that spreads more slowly across a greater span of months and is expected each year) and greatly exceed the number of hospital and ICU beds available. People in Italy are dying at a comparatively high rate because they cannot get access to care because there are more sick people than hospital beds. THAT is the problem.

What's actually scary is not really that the old and immunocompromised are more at risk (not saying it isn't scary, but it is common), the potential for the old and immunocompromised to be denied care and left to die because we simply don't have the health care capacity is what is scary.

I personally am not scared at all of getting sick from COVID-19 because I am 30 years old and healthy. I however will do what I can to avoid getting sick so that I don't pass it on to others.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

Soon its going to be more than 1000 per day

According to the CDC over 1700 americans are dying every day from heart disease. No panic though.