Calm the F**K Down! - What is wrong with everyone?

Why I suggested it might not be possible was just due to my disbelief in how low those numbers of infections were- simply put I thought I had to be doing the math wrong.

So we have to ask based on these numbers (and others) are the individual and institutional reactions commensurate with the reality.

Two additional notes here- I went to the grocery store yesterday for a simple and regular shopping trip and couldn't believe the lunacy that was occurring- it feeds on itself. People walking through the aisles wearing masks stockpiling water and meat- toilet paper was long gone. I don't get why everyone is loading up on all manner of sanitizers- I've never used any of this crap in my life. Soap and water and don't let your house get filthy.

I go up and talk to everyone by nature- all of the grocery store employees were also of the opinion that this was outrageous behavior and none of them had masks or gloves.

The second side point is that the Chinese health authorities chose Interferon alfa 2B (IFRrec) among 30 other drugs to combat the new coronavirus Covid-19 which was originally made in Cuba. There is a Sino-Cuban mixed company in the province of Jilin that, with Cuban technology, has produced the drug since 2007, which has been used with good results by the Chinese health system to combat viral diseases, especially hepatitis B and C. It can also be used to treat infections caused by HIV, respiratory papillomatosis caused by human papilloma and condylomata acuminata.

Interferon is a substance made by cells of the immune system of vertebrate animals and can be produced in large quantities in the laboratory. Refined from bacteria or yeast is called recombinant and counteracts viral diseases. It is also thought to be useful to help fight certain types of cancer.

From all I've read the side effects are pretty nasty and the evidence is not convincing that Interferon is some sort of certain cure for cancer or highly contagious diseases.

A technical article on Interferon can be found here:

What is certain here is that people have had their inability to utilize basic critical thinking skills exposed. I'm not blaming anyone- the indoctrination in this country goes from cradle to grave.

I believe all the wrong questions are being asked here or being prevented from being aired in public.

What are the living conditions where infectious diseases etc. proliferate? What is the strength (or lack of) of the immune systems? Just two examples.

Most people credit medical advances for increased longevity but most historians would not. I think we need to keep that reality in mind.

OBE wrote:

This thread is hilarious. You have 3 people (Allen, Facts Matter, and Wigins) who are clearly argumentative contrarians who only acknowledge absolute numbers and their opinions, versus trends, reasoned analysis and opinions from the WHO. Yet, you all argue incessantly with them as if they will change their minds.

They have very strong, dim-witted opinions. As such, there will no argument made that can change their minds. Even if the entire world went on a 1 year lockdown where no one death left the house, they would come back after a year and say “not that many people died, see.”

Do not argue with them. Don’t. Save yourself research, articles, country benchmarks for people who are open to them.

Just going to quote this every time I see them reply.

ledi wrote:

OBE wrote:

This thread is hilarious. You have 3 people (Allen, Facts Matter, and Wigins) who are clearly argumentative contrarians who only acknowledge absolute numbers and their opinions, versus trends, reasoned analysis and opinions from the WHO. Yet, you all argue incessantly with them as if they will change their minds.

They have very strong, dim-witted opinions. As such, there will no argument made that can change their minds. Even if the entire world went on a 1 year lockdown where no one death left the house, they would come back after a year and say “not that many people died, see.”

Do not argue with them. Don’t. Save yourself research, articles, country benchmarks for people who are open to them.

Just going to quote this every time I see them reply.

As you are doing that keep these in mind:

Common Logical Fallacies:

Ad Hominem.

Strawman Argument.

Appeal to Ignorance.

False Dilemma.

The Bandwagon Fallacy.

The Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

Slippery Slope Fallacy.

Circular Argument.

Hasty Generalization.

Red Herring Fallacy.

Can you identify how many logical fallacies, and which ones, are in the above comment by OBE?

On another note institutional speculators including hedge funds with “inside info” have already placed their bets- “short-selling” in the derivative market among other speculative operations.

Fear and intimidation prevail.

Right-wingers have really taken over the discussion on this message board. They read an alt news blog and suddenly know more than CDC or anyone in the medical community. Trolling and pud pulling is about all the are good for. And bet they are sucky runners to boot.

This says death rate may be under 1%. Why do we have to take as fact everyone who says it is super high but discount those with lower estimates.

https://regenexx.com/blog/coronavirus-myths-debunked/

Salopalooza wrote:

Right-wingers have really taken over the discussion on this message board. They read an alt news blog and suddenly know more than CDC or anyone in the medical community. Trolling and pud pulling is about all the are good for. And bet they are sucky runners to boot.

What this comment illustrates is the inability of Saloplaooza to make an argument. Again you rely on ad hominem which is illogical.

Yours is just a knee jerk reaction where you base your non-existent argument on a false premise. Maybe some on this thread are right-wingers but I am not one of them- not by any stretch of the imagination. I've never read a right-wing alt news blog in my life.

Again, just make your case, appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, simply citing the thoroughly corrupted CDC (shall we go into details on this?) as your benchmark only gets you traction with those who blindly follow authority.

One of the reasons why it has hit Europe extremely hard is because they are huge smokers, so their lungs have already been compromised. So even if your are young, but are a smoker, you are susceptible to having complications from the virus . The only age group that has no infections or fatality cases is 0-9 years old.

Yesterday Italy had 254 deaths in 24 hours.

The UK experienced 1000 new cases in a day.

People have no idea on how shard this is going to hit America, especially on our healthcare system, which is not equipped and has not properly prepared for this. We have what 1 million hospital beds for 300 million Americans, and 160,000 ventilators. South Korea and China have way more. This is where things are going to really get extreme.

Also, doctors and nurses who are treating the virus are also becoming infected, especially in Italy . So there is that element to deal with as well.

Government officials had a chance to get under this months ago, but refused the advise of the CDC and other medical specialists.

Now there are talking doing immunity herding to get people to build up immunity to the virus, which is an extremely dangerous measure because it requires the majority of the population to get infected. That’s where we are now.

For so long, as a world, we have become lazy, apathetic, selfish, and superficial regarding life. Not taking things seriously, and only focusing on tons of stuff that don’t matter. You got people complaining that their races have been cancelled and events have been cancelled , and not truly understanding that their world has drastically changed like never before......and may not go back to normal for quite sometime if not at all.

Food, shelter, water, etc are going to become extremely scarce during these times. So be prepared and be safe. The American population has already lost a lot of income.....

You’re actually right.

Thanks for this. It’s ridiculous.

1% is still 10X stronger than the flu.

It’s an observation not an argument you moran. But troll away!

Look at Allen! Backing up his argument by citing some 16 year old grocery store clerk who probably was agreeing with him just to get the creepy old man away!

Or they roll out that lady in Wshington with the nose ring that survived. Sample of one. BTW "Facts Matter" is likely "Bad W.". Better info in the other threads.

coach wrote:

I'm confused about this virus, how it spreads and how easily it spreads. The Utah Jazz players live in close proximity to each other, they shower, sleep, eat, sweat, hug, dab, high five etc...yet only 2 players have it and as of now their opponents havent been infected. Is the virus not detected yet or is it harder to transmit than we think?

The problem is there are 3 different influenza strains overlapping each other right now but the "coronavirus" is getting all the attention and fear-mongering causing all this crazy panic stricken buying!

With the Jazz, you had Gobert & Mudiay scratched from last Wednesday's game for "flu-like" symptoms. Both were tested earlier in the day before the start of the game. Just moments before the tip-off, the officials were made aware of Gobert's positive test for the coronavirus and the game was immediately cancelled. A short time later, the NBA announced the postponement of the season - all this in a matter of minutes. Gobert's teammate, Mudiay, who also couldn't play due to "flu-like" symptoms was negative for the coronavirus. One other teammate, Donovan Mitchell, who was apparently not sick and was scheduled to start in last Wednesday's game, also tested positive for coronavirus.

Recall a couple of weeks ago, one of the most high-profile players in the NBA; Steph Curry, couldn't play for "flu-like" symptoms - his test showed negative for corona but positive for influenza A - no panic and business as usual.

A lot of the panic stricken fear-mongering posters hers are either unaware of the other two strains, particularly the potent "B" strain that is wrecking havoc on the children of this country:

"Eight more children have died of flu, bringing the total to 144 this season, according to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report."

"The CDC estimates about 36 million people have gotten sick, 370,000 have been hospitalized and 22,000 have died this season."

"144" children have died of the flu! Where was the panic for this months ago! Why weren't the schools closed?!? Why wasn't a national emergency declared?!?

How many children have died of the coronavirus? Answer- 0!

And 22,000 deaths and 370,000 hospitalizations so far from this year's seasonal flu!!!

You coronavirus panic stricken people just need to quit fear-mongering before all the goods & services are gone and there's absolutely nothing left for anyone else!

Quote: "blah blah, flu kill X number of people a year"

OMG. Just the flu bro is back. STFU already.

Given the close proximity, contact etc...why aren't there more positives in the NBA? At least yet? Are the tests faulty? Does it take a long time for a positive test? Or is harder than we think to transmit it?

Facts > opinions

Flawed data = flawed conclusions

Opinions aren't facts just because they were spoken from the mouth of an "expert"

I fear the greatest threat from this virus is way more economic in nature...but only time will tell.

To answer your question: No. I don’t think that’s rationale. If your argument is: “The Covid-19 virus is serious and- at worse case- could kill up to 2 million people in America alone (mostly elderly) if we did nothing BUT how the heck does that translate to buying year’s worth of cleaning supplies, toilet paper and other odd items”... then I would agree with you. In a sense, people do need to calm down, not because the COVID-19 isn’t serious though, but because we’re not going to be 100% quartined in our houses for years. Lol, that just won’t happen. Even then, my family has had the same bottle of Windex for at least a few years... why in the world would you ever need to buy more than 1 or 2 bottles at a time? The toilet paper thing is hilarious-I think other people just buy it to get in on the fun- it’s become a game of where can find toilet paper?? And this won’t last forever, selling all of your stocks isn’t necessary; it just makes things worse. Like every dip in the history of the stock market, the total market has recovered. Plus, if everyone is quarantined for years-using up their stockpile of 200 rolls of toilet paper- than what will you really do with your money anyways?? So yes, there are many, many people acting irrational and crazy.

But your opinions in this thread were far more than that-and you referenced the flu like 100 times. Practically all the medical professionals in the world are saying we can’t just treat this like it’s the flu and move on with life- so continuing to making that statement is essentially saying the experts around the world know nothing. The mass cancellations, travel limitations, etc. seem extreme, but it seems we have to slow the spread somehow unless we are okay with the *very possible potential* of mass hospitalization and a fair amount of deaths.

Look at the BS from all the panic-stricken people buying up and fighting over supplies like there's absolutely no tomorrow!

https://youtu.be/qtQL4KyAepU

https://youtu.be/rgaKq_jQFAc

I heard some Congressman the other day squawking about how the American people will pull together and get through this, and it's times like this that the American people go the distance to help each other out, and so on & so forth. Ha! Too funny! Maybe in a community that's hit by a tornado, hurricane, flood or something like that people come together and help each other out. But not in a situation like this where the media and the CDC/medical experts have created so much fear-mongering over a virus that people believe it's the end of the world.

Human compassion in tough times - what a joke!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

One of the reasons why it has hit Europe extremely hard is because they are huge smokers, so their lungs have already been compromised.

For so long, as a world, we have become lazy, apathetic, selfish, and superficial regarding life. Not taking things seriously, and only focusing on tons of stuff that don’t matter.

Food, shelter, water, etc are going to become extremely scarce during these times.

I had the same thought this morning while I was running regarding Italy's situation. They all seem to smoke there (obviously I'm generalizing), so I wonder if that has played a part in the death toll.

I agree with your comment about the world becoming too soft and pampered, but I think you're overreacting in your last statement. Shelter and water are going to become scarce? Huh?