Calm the F**K Down! - What is wrong with everyone?

1) Asia kicked this thing to the curb, without exception.

East Asia kicked it to the curb, SE Asia and South Asia are still near the beginning of the curve (with the exception of Singapore). There are many reasons why Taiwan, S Korea, Japan and Hong Kong were able to gain control over the spread of the infection that cannot be replicated in the US and Europe (see Taiwan vs. Italy thread).

I'm interested to see how the trajectory plays out in SE Asia. Cases have grown rapidly in Malaysia, but interestingly, no deaths yet. Indonesia and the Philippines are also increasing. All of these countries have hot, tropical climates so how does that affect the survivability of the virus?

We just have to hope that Italy was a worse case scenario. But even if it was, it will take a year or more to recover from the economic damage. I think the idea that this is a sharp v-shaped recession is wishful thinking.

real questions? wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Are you saying you believe there will be 22,000 deaths in the US caused by COVID-19 within the next month?

Yes, 6 weeks tops.

There's simply no reason to believe it won't keep growing at the current rate, even with actions taken.

Okay...then why this draconian lockdown on the American people if "22,000" are going to be dead in "6 weeks tops?" And does it stop there? How many more do you think will die by the summer? The "experts" tell us the coronavirus could be around throughout this year and maybe into 2021. They also tell us that it could easily mutate rendering any vaccine ineffective. So, does our oppressive government continue to lock down the American people for the remainder of the year or do they so kindly let us get back to normal in 30 days and see what happens? And if things are just as bad and people are dying left & right are we then shutdown again?

And now there's some breaking news out of the Philippines that there's an outbreak of the deadly "H5H6" Avian influenza among some poultry. This strain has a mortality rate of ~60% making the coronavirus look fair less serious than the fear-mongering going on. So, what if this avian virus crosses over to humans and we have a real crisis - lock down humans for eternity?

Ha!...too funny!...more like several years. The U.S. Government will have pushed us into the greatest DEPRESSION this country has ever seen! This draconian shutdown of everything has already had dramatic effects in just a short period of time - and the shutdown is supposed to go for months? The airline industry will go bankrupt. The travel industry will go bankrupt. The automotive industry will tank. Small businesses across the nation will be annihilated. Sales tax revenue will go down significantly causing municipalities to cut back services and layoff employees.

So, how is this wonderful polarized Congress going to save day when, or if, the American people are allowed to go back to normal - many with no jobs and drowning in debt.

The Fed Reserve yesterday pumped in an unprecedented 500 billion in the repo funding markets in an effort to slow the bleeding down in the stock market and it still tanked 3000 points!!! They could pump a trillion and it wouldn't matter. People's 401Ks and other retirement plans will be completely annihilated. The fallout from this shutdown will be catastrophic!!!

I thought I saw everything with the panic and fear right after 9-11, but that was short lived once people realized that we weren't going into a World War 3 situation. But I've never seen so much fear & panic over a virus. People driving like as*holes on the roads. Store shelves completely depleted. People running around the store in mass hysteria like it was the end of the world.

Well just wait until the Great Great Depression occurs - then people will really see what fear & panic is all about!

real questions? wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Are you saying you believe there will be 22,000 deaths in the US caused by COVID-19 within the next month?

Yes, 6 weeks tops.

There's simply no reason to believe it won't keep growing at the current rate, even with actions taken.

Hey rocket scientist, there have only been 7,154 deaths on the entire planet from COVID-19 in the 3.5 months since it started. China, the epicenter, had only 3,230 deaths out of a population of 1.3 billion, but you think the US with a 332 million population will have 7X more deaths in 1/2 the amount of time?

FFS! Are you really that dim?

It’s funny how everyone is basing their argument on numbers and calling BS and we shouldn’t believe what we hear. Yet when convenient we’re willing to believe the ‘official’ numbers that came out of China. Yeah China have probably got a hold of it. But only after a severe shutdown and they were worried enough to build two express hospitals in a less than a week. If the U.S has an outbreak (probable if we look at what’s going on with Europe) will you really be ready to enforce draconian measure like China to keep it on the lowdown?

real questions? wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Are you saying you believe there will be 22,000 deaths in the US caused by COVID-19 within the next month?

Yes, 6 weeks tops.

There's simply no reason to believe it won't keep growing at the current rate, even with actions taken.

We're hearing that China has leveled out with few new daily cases and deaths. The death total there is at 3,200. That's a reason to shut down the world? And why will the US be so much higher? And why don't we care about flu deaths here that ANNUALLY exceed 22,000 ? Not projected, estimated, possibilities but real dead people. And why do people scream when we compare this to the flu? Where does this rule come from - that this cannot be compared to more lethal viruses?

Yes thanks trumpanzees.

I’m sure it’s all a hoax to make trump look bad.

coronasceptic wrote:

real questions? wrote:

Yes, 6 weeks tops.

There's simply no reason to believe it won't keep growing at the current rate, even with actions taken.

We're hearing that China has leveled out with few new daily cases and deaths. The death total there is at 3,200. That's a reason to shut down the world? And why will the US be so much higher? And why don't we care about flu deaths here that ANNUALLY exceed 22,000 ? Not projected, estimated, possibilities but real dead people. And why do people scream when we compare this to the flu? Where does this rule come from - that this cannot be compared to more lethal viruses?

As I posted earlier, the number you should be comparing it to is zero.

Because this is (was) a preventable man made catastrophe.

(CNN)Two weeks ago, keeping at a distance from other Americans was merely a suggestion. Now, after US coronavirus cases jumped by more than 3,000 over six days, at least a dozen city and state leaders have turned those suggestions into orders.

Public health officials say the US has reached a tipping point -- warning that if residents don't take the call to action seriously, the country may be faced with a scenario similar to the one facing Italy. The European country went on total lockdown last week and has been hit harder than any other country in the region, with at least 24,747 cases of coronavirus and 1,809 deaths.

"We have the same number of cases that Italy had two weeks ago. We have a choice to make," US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams said. "Do we want to really lean into social distancing and mitigation strategies and flatten the curve or do we just want to keep going on with business as usual and end up being Italy?"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/us-coronavirus-updates-tuesday/index.html

I think I know why Facts matter and Wigins and the other empty heads who keep saying “calm down” or “everything’s fine” bother me so much.

They are fakes. Frauds. Charlatans. The kind of over educated and under employed drones who have never managed a team or been near a crisis. They’ve never been affected by war, or disease, or famine. They are most likely either neo cons or neo libs. The people who are certain they know what everyone should do. The people who look at the weather report and never outside their own window. They pretend to stand for truth, not realizing the truth is the world they’re in…it is reality whether they like it or not. They’ll never acknowledge it. So while others do the work, they complain. They claim to care for the underserved or the poor or the elderly but when push comes to shove they abandon them or dismiss their suffering—and not even to save their own skin, but to salvage their egos. They are meek men pretending to be men. Lukewarm at best. Hollow from brains to soul.

And while the world begins to burn they insist on playing the “all is well” fiddle. They enjoy pointing to the people with genuine, legitimate concern and screaming “fool!”. They’re unaffected and so they go skiing—literally the most stereotypically white middle-upper class activity you could do. They met their spouses, if they have them, either in a bar or online. They drive cars they can’t afford, work hard to impress their neighbors, have artificial relationships, and don’t honor commitments. They are the spineless men that fathers warn their daughters about. Fooled by their own incompetence. Non-doers.

Their commentaries and comparisons should not only be disregarded—they should be ridiculed. None of them work in hospitals or nursing homes or schools. They aren’t near the pain, nor do they care about those who are. They will never be called upon to make a plan, to rally a team, to execute an order. Ultimately they will never acknowledge crisis until it stares them in the face. Only then will they understand. The moment when the fear begins pouring out and panic sets in. Backbones collapse. Forced to face reality at last but certainly too late. They are weak, hollow men. Do not follow them nor their advice.

Facts Matter wrote:

real questions? wrote:

Yes, 6 weeks tops.

There's simply no reason to believe it won't keep growing at the current rate, even with actions taken.

Hey rocket scientist, there have only been 7,154 deaths on the entire planet from COVID-19 in the 3.5 months since it started. China, the epicenter, had only 3,230 deaths out of a population of 1.3 billion, but you think the US with a 332 million population will have 7X more deaths in 1/2 the amount of time?

FFS! Are you really that dim?

Comng there from someone with no epidemiological qualifications or expertise, who bleats everyone bar him is stupid - and by extension including the international experts, none of whom express his views - the only safe thing we can conclude is that he has cornered the market for dimness, wrapped in unassailable arrogance.

A lot of insidious lies and posters are allowed to thrive on this thread. I’ve emailed Wejo about it and he said he does not care

Thank you, they are 8chan trolls employed to create havoc with their lies.. And LRC is letting them

Thanks for the glimpse into how your mind works. You apparently start thinking and go wherever your mind takes you. As the arbiter of truth any disagreement with you is error. The doomesday future you see is too important to allow for dissent.

What are your thoughts on the pre-existing conditions in Northern Italy and Wuhan which were remarkably similar. By this I mean the extraordinary levels of environmental pollutants in both these areas which have been talked about for over a decade with warnings of how this was and would impact the health of the inhabitants.

This is a bizarre line of thinking. I understand what you're trying get at but the time to do that is months-years from now--retrospectively. Setting aside the fact that most populations are ill equipped to deal with contagious crisis, as we are seeing--when the car is driving off the cliff you don't do a study on why the breaks aren't working.

Put it this way--if we decided that there were likely unique environmental conditions in those two regions and that it directly led to the high # of infections and left it at that, what would happen? If we said Italy has an older population (true), China has lots of air pollution (true), China/Italy has a disproportional number of smokers (true) and then looked at the US and said--well we're ok we have none of that.....where would we be in a month? Iran, spain, south korea--all getting/got hit hard. Do they fit the model you propose?

*brakes

sp2 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Not sure that's very encouraging. If Italy/Spain/Iran's deaths grow by X% and the rest of the world's deaths grow by X%, then that 85% ratio remains the same. But both are still growing exponentially, one curve is just a couple weeks ahead of the other.

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Yep. His observation is meaningless. It completely ignores that there are plenty of other places with scary death-rates, whose numbers are just getting started. (England, for one --whose rate is higher than Spain's.)

Your comment makes like 3 or 4 actual pieces of intelligent analysis I've seen on the boards today.

It's a bit of a shock.

The UK has purposefully tried to push the initial curve up as it was lagging. Have it too low, and no one gets immune, and it takes forever to get out of the system. You want to be coming out of it at the same time as others, otherwise you're still in lockdown, other countries are immune but your still years from ever getting out of it.

You want to ramp it up quick and get people infected and recovered fast, get the severely ill in those beds and recovered, and then cut off movement days before to allow the rise to reach your maximum ventilator bed capacity. It's all unfortunately about efficiency. No point in having everyone sitting at home, no one getting immune, with spare hospital beds, letting the weeks tick over.

An insane strategy with no scientific basis which the UK government has had to walk back from.