Cancelling all of these events sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for future outbreaks

"vast majority of us are going to be just fine"

Covid-19 is also putting some middle-aged people with no underlying health conditions in the hospital.. A real problem with that is if healthcare facilities become overwhelmed this category of people who would normally survive with proper treatment will not get that treatment.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to place any restrictions on people's movements or gatherings. This should be solely a decision made by each individual. The damage overall will be far less because the virus most likely will disappear by May 1.

Death toll now at only 4718.

Who's gonna count the dead from the crashed economy? It's gonna dwarf that number. Get a grip, morans!

your views are a bit myopic. read this:

fghss wrote:

"vast majority of us are going to be just fine"

Covid-19 is also putting some middle-aged people with no underlying health conditions in the hospital.. A real problem with that is if healthcare facilities become overwhelmed this category of people who would normally survive with proper treatment will not get that treatment.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to place any restrictions on people's movements or gatherings. This should be solely a decision made by each individual. The damage overall will be far less because the virus most likely will disappear by May 1.

the real disease impact hasn't even started yet in the USA.

We're 12 days behind Italy.

You can spread the virus to lots of people even if you don't die or have severe symptoms. It's not about you. Where are all of the "America first" people chiming in on this one?

you're selfish.

weary wrote:

fghss wrote:

Could it be cases in these countries are lower not because of their preparedness but because they are in warmer climates?

I don't think anyone who has spent time in Singapore would be surprised that the reaction there was swift and efficient, or in Taiwan for that matter. But these countries are all much smaller and have efficient institutions and a cooperative population.

What has surprised me is how bad Norway is getting hit right now. I would put them up there with Singapore and Taiwan in terms of how efficient and tight-knit they are, but it’s getting really bad there.

I have been analyzing this thing obsessively since it’s inception, and I’m afraid I have to agree with you on this one. If this thing does to NYC what it is doing to Italy, and it’s absolutely tracking for that, it is going to be horrific. We are going to be fine, but there are definitely some challenges up ahead.

"I have been analyzing this thing obsessively since it’s inception"

If that's true then you have read over the WHO website. You will see that they have found a low incidence of spread by persons not showing symptoms or something along those lines. They also say travel restrictions are ineffective and not recommended.

This should be a personal responsibility. Governments are making far worse then it actually is. There is a high likelihood the virus will disappear by May.

bluecolla wrote:

weary wrote:

I don't think anyone who has spent time in Singapore would be surprised that the reaction there was swift and efficient, or in Taiwan for that matter. But these countries are all much smaller and have efficient institutions and a cooperative population.

What has surprised me is how bad Norway is getting hit right now. I would put them up there with Singapore and Taiwan in terms of how efficient and tight-knit they are, but it’s getting really bad there.

It's also separated from most of Europe by water, so that should be an advantage. We will see soon if this virus really thrives in cold, dry conditions like seasonal flu, as the weather gets warmer. I was also interested in Manila because there is massive poverty and this tests the germ theory.

We will find out in the next month or so if Covid-19 turns out to be mostly a first-world problem.

I completely agree with you and I’m 23 soon, no boomers here. This is becoming absolutely ridiculous. Apparently they are either cancelling or postponing boston to September and like me and a thousand other people, we wont be able to do it. I can’t tell you how pissed and frustrated i am. I blame social media.

Just as a reminder, the first case in Italy was a 38 year old marathon runner. He is still on a ventilator.

That's why protecting yourself and others using the best practices as per your healthcare provider(s) or the ones you follow is the fastest way out of this without the least damage. Governments are making it far worse. I don't blame you if you need an example how they are. The travel restrictions are a great example. Look at the WHO website. They are against these restrictions.

+1

I’m also a non-boomer pissed about the situation. I ran track in college and I had what was going to be my first track meet in 2 years cancelled. I was pumped to finally put on the spikes again. I was not great in college but I’d been rounding into form that would have given me a shot at breaking my college 5k PR on a good day. Had a few 5ks and road 10ks planned out, now my whole spring racing season is gone.

The level of hysterical panic is ridiculous. Some doctor on social media publicly proclaimed it’s going to infect “70-150million people in the US” and of course everyone and their mom is re-posting it everywhere. What a great way to cause absolute chaos

GloryDaysBum wrote:

I’m also a non-boomer pissed about the situation. I ran track in college and I had what was going to be my first track meet in 2 years cancelled. I was pumped to finally put on the spikes again. I was not great in college but I’d been rounding into form that would have given me a shot at breaking my college 5k PR on a good day. Had a few 5ks and road 10ks planned out, now my whole spring racing season is gone.

This must be very difficult for you.

bluecolla wrote:

I think Bad Wigins is correct in many respects in regards to the data, but I think he is ignoring the trend. Regardless of whether it’s less or more deadly than the flu over the long term has yet to be seen, but it sure as hell is impacting us much differently in the short-term. I think the disparity of this thing in regards to how much differently it impacts people based on age is pretty interesting. For example, 65 year old policy makers are going to react in a manner that seems extreme to much of the populous out of sheer self-preservation. I think it’s important to understand that while the vast majority of us are going to be just fine, these decisions being made are life or death for others, and we should do our best to respect that.

99% chance Wigins is a first-generation ML bot designed to spew incoherent English-like statements for maximum interest.

magstherunner wrote:

I completely agree with you and I’m 23 soon, no boomers here. This is becoming absolutely ridiculous. Apparently they are either cancelling or postponing boston to September and like me and a thousand other people, we wont be able to do it. I can’t tell you how pissed and frustrated i am. I blame social media.

Awwww booo hoooo. Magstherunner wouldn't be able to run his marathon!!! Lets take a moment of silence for this great tragedy.

The hysteria will bury us.... Not the coronavirus

Whats this world coming to wrote:

The Coronavirus panic is sick. The way the US and international community is handling this outbreak by cancelling events, schools, and entire sports seasons is incredibly stupid, selfish, and thoughtless.

Selfish for looking out for the general population? Do you know what that word means?

I like letsrun in general. But I've always felt that the boards, populated (apparently) by young male runners confused about why their ability to run around an oval a couple standard deviations faster than the average hobby jogger doesn't get them laid more, kinda sucked, with their horrible signal-to-noise ratio, and incredible density of snark.

But this thread might make the Hall of Fame. Some of you are actively promoting viewpoints that, if followed, will get people killed.

Italy's diagnosed coronavirus caseload has risen 30x in the past two weeks, and they are indeed being forced to ration care. It's really bad, and there's no way we want to replicate that.

And the reason it got that bad is that Italy reacted too slowly.

The key to reacting to a pandemic of this sort is to act fast, and act smart. This means social distancing, now, full stop. The reason why everything is cancelled is not because the decision-makers are cowardly, or selfish, or somehow flawed. They are doing the right thing, because the (non-trivial) costs of acting too aggressively are way smaller than the costs of reacting too slowly. Ask Italy. Or China for that matter.

For those of you looking for more info: You can start with this overview:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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But please do not listen to people on letsrun saying we are over-reacting. If anything we in the US have acted too slowly. We literally don't know how many cases we have in this country due to our slow response to get a good test produced and distributed. It's going to get worse.

I don't trust these board to get good training advice; there's no way in hell I'm coming here for insight on public health policy!