Gwen is back baby! 15:10

Marielle Hall has got to be disappointed with this

Hardloper wrote:

That didn't take long

To put that in perspective - she was 40s behind the winner. That's like running 13:40 in an average male 5k championship race which is won in 13:00. Not enough to get excited, yet alone to consider making a team for the Olympics.

It is a good performance, and it seems the new approach with lower mileage (100 instead of 120 mpw) and more cross-training (bike and swim) is working well. But I still don't see her making an Olympic team, or even coming close to it.

Breakthrough performance for Fraser... does she have a chance at making the 5k team for Tokyo if Houlihan and Purrier both opt for the 1500?

You forgot to add way.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

That didn't take long

To put that in perspective - she was 40s behind the winner. That's like running 13:40 in an average male 5k championship race which is won in 13:00. Not enough to get excited, yet alone to consider making a team for the Olympics.

It is a good performance, and it seems the new approach with lower mileage (100 instead of 120 mpw) and more cross-training (bike and swim) is working well. But I still don't see her making an Olympic team, or even coming close to it.

And the winner (while a huge talent) will struggle to medal in championship events.

Gwen's performance is a huge step forward. Will she make the US Team? No.

Will 1-3 Americans beat Klosterhalfen in the Olympics? Yes

Nice race by Emily Infield.

What’s the Olympic standard?

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*stipe wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

To put that in perspective - she was 40s behind the winner. That's like running 13:40 in an average male 5k championship race which is won in 13:00. Not enough to get excited, yet alone to consider making a team for the Olympics.

It is a good performance, and it seems the new approach with lower mileage (100 instead of 120 mpw) and more cross-training (bike and swim) is working well. But I still don't see her making an Olympic team, or even coming close to it.

And the winner (while a huge talent) will struggle to medal in championship events.

Gwen's performance is a huge step forward. Will she make the US Team? No.

Will 1-3 Americans beat Klosterhalfen in the Olympics? Yes

That's only true if history would repeat itself. Kokos weakness is a sprint finish/short kick over last 100-200m. However, she got so fast in the last 1-2 years that she will be able to run the field down or at least run the kick out of others. Her biggest competitors likely won't be American's.

Schweizer showed how to destroy faster runners in the 3k yesterday. She literally ran the kick out of Houlihan by keeping the pace extremely honest and quick, to a point it didn't matter anymore that her all-out 400m speed is only 57s vs Shelby's 54s.

Koko actually ran almost the same lap times for the last two laps yesterday as Schweizer did, if the official splits are correct: 33.4 and 31.6 vs. 33.2 and 31.6 for Schweizer. Without being challenged for the victory, while lapping runners and having run 2000m longer, mostly alone frontrunning. Koko only has to realize that she must not wait until the last lap but force the pace earlier on.

Nevertheless, Schweizer's improvement is tremendous: At Prefontaine last year she was 22 secs. behind Koko in a 3k, last night they ran basically equally good times according to 1.72 conversion factor.

still here? wrote:

Marielle Hall has got to be disappointed with this

She was pacing

Hall was on pacing duty on this one, her time is not relevant (LRC article needs to be updated); she could eat some Jorgensen for breakfast any day if you ask me...

*stipe wrote:

And the winner (while a huge talent) will struggle to medal in championship events.

Gwen's performance is a huge step forward. Will she make the US Team? No.

Will 1-3 Americans beat Klosterhalfen in the Olympics? Yes

Are we talking about the same runner? The one with a DL win in the mile, who medaled in two DL finals and at the world championships last year?

DietBacon wrote:

*stipe wrote:

And the winner (while a huge talent) will struggle to medal in championship events.

Gwen's performance is a huge step forward. Will she make the US Team? No.

Will 1-3 Americans beat Klosterhalfen in the Olympics? Yes

Are we talking about the same runner? The one with a DL win in the mile, who medaled in two DL finals and at the world championships last year?

Fair enough. Though I still think either Houlihan or Schweizer will beat her in the Olympics.

*stipe wrote:

DietBacon wrote:

Are we talking about the same runner? The one with a DL win in the mile, who medaled in two DL finals and at the world championships last year?

Fair enough. Though I still think either Houlihan or Schweizer will beat her in the Olympics.

Based on what?

Koko can easily run what Houlihan and Schweizer ran yesterday.

If Koko opts for the 1500m, Houlihan can and probably will beat her. Even without the crazy marks from the Doha final (and I think Koko would have been between ranks 3 and 6 there had she focussed on the 1500m) Houlihan has the considerably better record over that distance in the last two years. (Watch the 1500m at ISTAF Berlin 2017 which is still on ytube, I believe, to see how tremendously Shelby has improved since then).

But if she stays healthy, Koko has only scratched the surface with her current 5k (and 10k which has not even run on track yet) performances. Despite running some sub 60 secs last laps last year, she still has not the best kick. But she is one of the best solo/frontrunners ever. Almost 3 years ago at 20yo in May 2017, while focussing on the 1500m and long before joining NOP Koko ran ca. 8:41 for the last three kilometers solo to a 14:51 5k, lapping runners all the time as this was a huge field of mostly 16+ min women at a small meet (Karlsruhe). 8:41 within a 5k, this is faster than Schweizer's best 3k mark was until yesterday.

With Hassan, Gidey, Obiri etc. in the mix, the 5k and 10k are going to be very tough, so there is certainly no medal guaranteed. (Who'd have thought that 3:54.99 would not gain a medal in Doha?!) But Schweizer still has to show what she can do outside lab conditions. Koko has run three times sub 14:30, once (Berlin German CS) in what was probably the fastest unpaced "solo" run ever, once (in Brussels DL final) with a ca 2:38 last km against the best of the world. (And I would not be too surprised if Koko runs sub 14:20 and sub 30 in summer.)

If Schweizer keeps the promise of that indoor run, she might be able to run (sub) 14:30. But it's still another thing to run (sub) 14:30 with very uneven splits and a last km around 2:40 and that's probably needed for Olympic medals.

*stipe wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

To put that in perspective - she was 40s behind the winner. That's like running 13:40 in an average male 5k championship race which is won in 13:00. Not enough to get excited, yet alone to consider making a team for the Olympics.

It is a good performance, and it seems the new approach with lower mileage (100 instead of 120 mpw) and more cross-training (bike and swim) is working well. But I still don't see her making an Olympic team, or even coming close to it.

And the winner (while a huge talent) will struggle to medal in championship events.

Gwen's performance is a huge step forward. Will she make the US Team? No.

Will 1-3 Americans beat Klosterhalfen in the Olympics? Yes

The girl who has ALREADY medalled in Championship events AND is younger than everyone else will struggle to medal?

Gotcha.

DietBacon wrote:

still here? wrote:

Marielle Hall has got to be disappointed with this

She was pacing

Why the black girl have to be the pacer? Is Jerry a closet racist?