Queen's coach fired over comments of Guelph's handling of DST allegations

Steve has a long history of being a jerk online. He's been owning teenagers on message boards for 20 years. His thoughtful and interesting posts were mixed with berating and arrogant posts. He never drops a discussion, even if it's going to wrong way for him.

I'm surprised that he didn't get into trouble sooner. People might not like it, but Steve was his own worst enemy and didn't know when to let something go.

“It took 13 years for Guelph to fire their coach for what he did, and it took two months for Queen’s to get rid of me for having an opinion about it,” Mr. Boyd said.

This stuck out to me. I don't know anything about Boyd or his personality. I'm certainly not gonna use my time here to try to go after him, however he presents himself. Guelp dropped the ball on this for 13 years. You can't fire your coach right away for having an opinion on that. Such a bad look.

danewrunner wrote:

go look at the comments yourself, I copied and pasted the first one for crying out loud. And he was posting as part of a social media conversation.....much like you are now....get it? SMH

I have read all the posts. Steve made the spousal abuse and prison camp references before anyone ‘piled on’. There was an exchange of 3-4 messages each between Steve and JDM, where she was trying to articulate the feeing of athletes and Steve was not listening and just ratchet up the rhetoric until he was a full victim blaming level. Topped it off with several comments like ‘not trying to put you on the spot, but...’

Again, can you highlight the immediate and harsh replies?

I didn't know that, so now guelph's new bogeyman is trafficking in teenage girls? Nice suggestion gryphon. Don't know what they're putting in the water in guelph but it seems that UofG running has become less culture, and more cult. Their coordinated efforts to discredit SB without countering any of his arguments is troubling.....after all, they've had lots of practice doing this to anyone deemed unworthy. These people are one tweet away from re-starting all of their "crazy Megan" talk from their good 'ol days.

NERunner053 wrote:

“It took 13 years for Guelph to fire their coach for what he did, and it took two months for Queen’s to get rid of me for having an opinion about it,” Mr. Boyd said.

This stuck out to me. I don't know anything about Boyd or his personality. I'm certainly not gonna use my time here to try to go after him, however he presents himself. Guelp dropped the ball on this for 13 years. You can't fire your coach right away for having an opinion on that. Such a bad look.

This is what ignorance looks like. If you don’t have time to review the info at hand, why jump to an uninformed conclusion?

again.....you claimed you just went there and and read (and cherry picked) SB's words out of 20+ replies. read it yourself, it's public.

take ur own advice when you named your handle.

danewrunner wrote:

again.....you claimed you just went there and and read (and cherry picked) SB's words out of 20+ replies. read it yourself, it's public.

No cherry picking. His posts about abuse and prison camp came well before anyone piled on. His 3rd post after what you shared was starting to really victim blame. His 4th and 5th posts were the spousal abuse and prison camp, Reid commented after that. So again, how did I cherry pick posts (unless my feed is sorted in non-chronological order, although it certainly appears to flow in order)

it's called context, unless you copy-paste the whole exchange, then you're just presenting your perspective and interpretation (and opinion) on just one person. But you seem to have no problem with how the gryphons got so triggered with him simply raising a legitimate debate issue (vacating wins). This is a common discussion in sports. In fact, it's happening right now in MLB and is a source of serious concern of player safety on opening day (Vegas is placing odds on Astros batters getting beaned). NCAA teams get sanctioned all the time for this.

danewrunner wrote:

I'm sure Ms. Mildren will be pleased to know that when fred's not making himself happy in the bushes along guelph's running trails, he's keeping close tabs on her......for her own safety, eh, right said fred? BTW, Ms. Mildren may want to exercise FB's privacy options, SB's been fired, mission accomplished. Keep that screen door open too long, you never know what might fly in (i.e., icky fred).

The only thing creepy is you stalker boy. Nice of you to defend Steve's continuous verbal abuse of others for 20 years. You're a bully too, creep.

What context did you include when you cherry picked a single post? You’re full of it.

You said immediate and harsh...I just asked what posts you thought showed that response? You can’t, so your just circling different arguments to avoid your lack of a valid argument.

copy-paste, try it sometime.....cherry picking is what you're doing gryphon. take a chill pill, they're only words. Curious, any thoughts on a coach checking a teenager out of juvi psych to do the nasty in his car down the street? Nah, didn't think so.

BTW, how do you know where DST lives and what his backyard looks like? same goes with MB....lots of birds around there I guess. LOL

Dave ran through Preservation Park on his way to the U all the time, moron. To see MB in there post 30 years old rang a bell. So don't talk shite. There's more here psychologically here than meets the eye. But you are too stupid troll boy to see anything other than what corporate interests want you to see.

And Boyd is too rabid to not respond, although I respect him as a man, unlike you, boy.

Well, nice to see icky fred has become the gryphs new bestie......me thinks I hit a nerve with this POS. He probably has more than pictures of birds behind that sliding wall in his basement, just sayin'. As far as trolling goes, the award goes to the gryphs. Their mobbing just cost a Cdn running legend his job and nearly drove a teammate to suicide years ago. They open up a social media conversation, invite SB knowing full well he's a hothead, and then go crying to his boss that he was mean to them? Now they're shedding crocodile tears that he's been fired? It's called CYA, in case SB's lawyers come a callin'. Hyper-entitled and narcissistic is the best way to describe this gryphon group. Win-at-all-costs and revel in the destruction of anybody not gryphon....it's called empathy, you might want to try it some time. Well, it's been a slice fellow anonymous posters but my work here is done (honestly, it's been fun watching icky fred meltdown, LOL). Good bye......and of course, good luck!!!

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danewrunner wrote:

go look at the comments yourself, I copied and pasted the first one for crying out loud. And he was posting as part of a social media conversation.....much like you are now....get it? SMH

I have read all the posts. Steve made the spousal abuse and prison camp references before anyone ‘piled on’. There was an exchange of 3-4 messages each between Steve and JDM, where she was trying to articulate the feeing of athletes and Steve was not listening and just ratchet up the rhetoric until he was a full victim blaming level. Topped it off with several comments like ‘not trying to put you on the spot, but...’

Again, can you highlight the immediate and harsh replies?

Your language of "victim-blaming" is part of the problem.

Megan Brown was a victim. Certain athletes at Guelph were also victims of serious abuse (see Nathaniel Carter's post on trackie about this). But the others who say they've witnessed abuse first-hand but did nothing about it? It's far too simplistic to call them victims and leave it at that. Yes, there might have been deterrents to speaking up, but ultimately these people participated in an abusive culture, in many cases reaped benefits from that culture (championships, jobs, national team opportunities) from the culture, and allowed it to persist.

I don't think it's fair to blame anyone individually, but there should at least be a discussion about how the members of the club community allowed abuse to go unchecked. There are degrees of culpability and complicity here that many Guelph people aren't even willing to consider.

Instead, by resorting to the language of "victim-blaming," they're trying to disavow that communal failure and shut down any conversation about it.

(Exhibit A: Jennie Biewald, who was happy to benefit from that culture by taking a coaching position and then, according to a poster or two on trackie, overlooking suffering on the women's team, but who now claims to be simply a trauma victim. It's self-serving hypocrisy.)

Universities are among the least-transparent and most malfeasant entities in existence when it comes to management actions and failures.

Mr. Boyd is unwise and immature, for sure. No point in ever engaging in FB spats like this with individuals although I don't see why his call for vacating of titles was in any way inappropriate (as others have said, MLB with Astros right now etc.). But the reaction is in the Stalin/Nazi league. Even the former Guelph athletes with whom Mr. Boyd was sparring don't believe this action was warranted.

This act shows the management cultures at work at Guelph and Queens are similar.

Of course the granddaddy of all malfeasant universities is MICHIGAN STATE because of their criminal coverups of Larry Nasser's years-long abuse of minors but the MO is exactly the same in almost all cases. Lack of transparency and accountability and no ethical cross-checks on decisions made by an increasingly isolated and empowered cabal lead to this kind of thing.

I am not a fan of the way this coach used social media but I hope he does seek and achieve restitution. He now is also a victim of this scandal in some ways even though he is not the author of the criminal acts and does not even work where they were perpetrated.

(I apologize for singling out someone in my last post. That wasn't fair. There are a number of others who could be criticized on similar grounds, and I shouldn't have made it just about one person.)