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luv 2 run wrote:
Cuckoldistan wrote:
Complete idiot lmao. You were at a 1200 calorie deficit PER DAY and wonder why you were tired and feeling weird? Eat meat at a 1200 calorie deficit and you'll still have the same effects. You needed to eat more
Cucks - I was actually in a calories surplus not including the extras that came from eating your wife’s a$s!
>Calorie surplus
>losing weight
pick one soyboy
YMMV wrote:
If you are like most people, you should get a 3-9 month "vegan honeymoon" in which you shed a few pounds, sleep better, have more energy, etc.. Then 1-3 years of feeling "OK". The stuff you describe hits most after 3-5 years. By 10 years you are basically dead or a liar and a diet cheat (i.e. a vegan youtuber).
Why would this happen if one eating a balanced nutritious diet?
Of course it is absolutely more cumbersome for a practicing vegan to get all of one's nutrient needs. Society, and American society among others, is not adapted to the lifestyle. Nevertheless, if one is able to get all of their nutrient needs from a vegan diet, why on earth would they experience nutrient deficiencies? If your theory is indeed accurate, please link to the supporting scientific data, and not American Cattlemen's Beef Association pseudoscience.
Most professional athletes, and most of the global population, consume meat. There is no questions that it is absolutely easier to ensure proper nutrition when one consumes meat. HOWEVER, there is nothing to indicate one cannot survive and thrive on a well balanced vegetarian or vegan diet.
luv 2 run wrote:
!! Caveat - this is just my experience !!
I’m not a huge meat eater but decided to test myself by going vegan for a month. Here’s what happened.
Mileage down from 80mpw to barely 40mpw - never enjoyed a single run after day 5
Had to abandon interval workout - got to my 5th 1k repeat and couldn’t get below 80s per lap - normally crush 70s per lap or below
Felt like I never recovered from workouts and even my slow runs felt tough
This is a complete lie. This loser stole my handle. Mods please delete this thread.
Energy levels crashed about 1 week in
Stool went green and runny after day 4
Vision went weird 3 weeks in
Had heart palpitations and weird feeling in chest
Got strange cravings for metal objects about 2 weeks in
Skin looked pale and grey - colleagues kept asking if I was sick
Hair looked thin at end of the month
S$x drive vanished on day 5, gf started complaining that my thing looked shrivelled
Lost 10lbs overall on a normally 140lbs frame
Not sure if it’s just me or a huge adjustment but going vegan sucked so bad that I can’t believe people actually do this. I Took lots of B12 and other vitamins along the way to help but no idea if this made things worse or not.
I wouldn’t recommend this to my worst enemy but has anyone else tried to go vegan for a bit?
vegemite wrote:
I went vegan for a month and here's what happened:
Nothing. It was fine. I felt fine. I didn't lose or gain much weight. Meh.
Ditto for when I did keto for 4 months. Meh.
I think I'm one of those people who can eat just about anything and be fine. I'm a big guy and eat a lot but never had a sweet tooth or a hankering for junk food. I do like meat and eat a whole lot of it, but also like bread and pasta. Don't care to give up either, but probably could if I had too. Given a choice, I'd give up the meat last.
Your vegan story, maybe, because really vegan is just regular food w/o animal products.
BUT
You DID NOT do keto for 4 months and didn't lose weight, and just felt fine. That is simply not possible. Keto is a metabolically abnormal state, in which you WILL feel bad at some point before adapting, and you WILL lose weight because your body turns to fat stores for energy.
You absolutely DID NOT "do keto" for 4 months. If what you say is true, you most likely play-acted at keto, and never actually went into ketosis.
I went Vegan 3yrs ago. I was strict about it for a year. Since then I'm not Vegan but I'd say 90% of my diet fits the mold. Occasional piece of meat basically.
My experience... you can eat large portions... basically as much as you want. Slept better/have more energy... obviously those go together. I leaned out is my sense but I don't regularly track either my weight or body fat... simply clothes felt looser. I assume we are all fairly fit here but how ur clothes feel is a always a good litmus test.
To speak to the first month of going vegan... really the difference is that you poop a lot. I had a fairly heavy meat/diary diet so it was a huge change for me. Simply put it's a ton of fiber to hit your system with. If doing it again I might phase it in as my running was hampered by an urge to go for the first couple months whenever I ran faster intervals. My armchair guess is that I was simply dislodging years of poop... literally.
Overall very positive experience personally. I'd urge everyone to try it. Better for your body (most people). Better for the planet and obviously way better for the animals. No need to be crazy strict about it but moving in the general direction def worth a try.
Once my digestive track steadied out again its been unremarkable since.
plantbasedmostly wrote:
My armchair guess is that I was simply dislodging years of poop... literally.
Friend, you did not have years of poop lodged in your colon. That is nonsense. Literally.
I have no quibbles with your other points, to each her/his own.
I've decided that veganism is cruelty to plants. They have feelings too. From now on I will only eat things that have already died naturally.
Most people who do keto are not in ketosis as they eat way too much protein. Excess protein gets converted to carbs, so all these keto'ers are never in ketosis. So this person may be telling the truth. Its just that to be in actual ketosis requires strict regulation of carbs AND protein which is something even the 'experts' dont tell them when they sell that diet.
I went vegan for a month and my anus spontaneously prolapsed and all my intestines fell out. Had to be rushed to the ER.
I think my story is more plausible OP.
Plants don't have:
Vitamin A, B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Also Heme-iron, Collagen, Omegas: DHA, EPA, CLA, Cholesterol and Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)
Antinutrients & harmful substances in plants: Alkaloids, Alpha-amylases, Arsenics, Cellulose, Cyanogenic glycosides, Fiber, Flavonoids, Gluten, Lectins, Mycotoxins, Oxalates, Phenolics, Photosensitizers, Phytic acid, Salicylates, Saponins, Sulforaphane, Tannins, Terpenoids and etc. 99.99% of all pesticides in plant food are natural and found in organic produce too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210
Meat is the one food group which is universally edible, nutritious, fully bioavailable and does not contain endotoxins. On the other hand, NO plants are 100% edible, even edible ones contain significant endotoxins, their nutrients are not bioidentical and not fully bioavailable even when extensively processed. We are facultative carnivores who rely on meat, fish and eggs for species survival.
YMMV wrote:
Meat is the one food group which is universally edible, nutritious, fully bioavailable and does not contain endotoxins. On the other hand, NO plants are 100% edible, even edible ones contain significant endotoxins, their nutrients are not bioidentical and not fully bioavailable even when extensively processed. We are facultative carnivores who rely on meat, fish and eggs for species survival.
You should eat the whole animal, bones fur and all, probably not toxic this is also edible nutritious fullyo bioavailable and the only food with methaxilyotetrogroxyne, Vitamins D72 C44 E22, Dropylotexocalates and Xenolophonics.
luv 2 run wrote:
I've decided that veganism is cruelty to plants. They have feelings too. From now on I will only eat things that have already died naturally.
Gonna only eat apples that have fallen from trees and roadkill from now on?
big time eater wrote:
Most people who do keto are not in ketosis as they eat way too much protein. Excess protein gets converted to carbs, so all these keto'ers are never in ketosis. So this person may be telling the truth. Its just that to be in actual ketosis requires strict regulation of carbs AND protein which is something even the 'experts' dont tell them when they sell that diet.
I know all that. That's what I said, essentially. Saying that most people who "do keto" are not in ketosis, basically acknowledges my point. "Doing keto" requires the manipulation of your diet to get to a state of ketosis. Otherwise, you are not "doing keto".
YMMV wrote:
Meat is the one food group which is universally edible, nutritious, fully bioavailable and does not contain endotoxins. On the other hand, NO plants are 100% edible, even edible ones contain significant endotoxins, their nutrients are not bioidentical and not fully bioavailable even when extensively processed. We are facultative carnivores who rely on meat, fish and eggs for species survival.
Not questioning that it is significantly easier, logistically, to obtain all necessary nutrients from a well rounded diet that includes meat, and why the human species migrated to eating meat and animal products. However, with the sheer volume, variety, and technological advances in vegetarian and vegan options (not even considering Beyond/Impossible foods), I do not see the justification for why meat is absolutely necessary to a well rounded and nutritious diet, or even absolutely necessary for optimal endurance performance. I'd definitely be interested in studies comparing health metrics of eating a well rounded nutritious diet with meat v. eating a well rounded nutritious diet without meat.
you and your stories wrote:
You DID NOT do keto for 4 months and didn't lose weight, and just felt fine. That is simply not possible. Keto is a metabolically abnormal state, in which you WILL feel bad at some point before adapting, and you WILL lose weight because your body turns to fat stores for energy.
You absolutely DID NOT "do keto" for 4 months. If what you say is true, you most likely play-acted at keto, and never actually went into ketosis.
Nonsense.
Okay maybe I should say LCHF and not "keto" if I ate too much protein to be in ketosis, which I probably did. So I hereby withdraw the the "keto" claim and modify the claim to LCHF. I maybe had more crappy runs while in LCHF, but my day to day feeling was within the regular range of my pre-LCHF runs.
But the "turning fat stores into energy" is nonsense. Or rather, it's true for any calorie restricted diet. If you eat more calories than you expend while on LCHF or even keto, you will gain weight. There is absolutely no, none, not a single iota of evidence that a keto diet violates energy balance.
YMMV wrote:
Plants don't have:
Vitamin A, B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Also Heme-iron, Collagen, Omegas: DHA, EPA, CLA, Cholesterol and Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)
Antinutrients & harmful substances in plants: Alkaloids, Alpha-amylases, Arsenics, Cellulose, Cyanogenic glycosides, Fiber, Flavonoids, Gluten, Lectins, Mycotoxins, Oxalates, Phenolics, Photosensitizers, Phytic acid, Salicylates, Saponins, Sulforaphane, Tannins, Terpenoids and etc. 99.99% of all pesticides in plant food are natural and found in organic produce too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210Meat is the one food group which is universally edible, nutritious, fully bioavailable and does not contain endotoxins. On the other hand, NO plants are 100% edible, even edible ones contain significant endotoxins, their nutrients are not bioidentical and not fully bioavailable even when extensively processed. We are facultative carnivores who rely on meat, fish and eggs for species survival.
No one takes your BS posts seriously, you irresponsible moron.
When I was on my first vegetarian wave as a teenager I had similar symptoms, not all, but some that you described. Leaky bowels and green/soft stools can happen if you eat too many fiberous foods. It’s definitely hard to balance this as a runner since running makes your bowel activity higher than average people. I feel like a solution to this can be to still eat simple carbs and grains, like not whole grain whole wheat, stuff that will settle your stomach as opposed to running right through you.
As a libertarian, I wish vegans would stop peddling this dangerous and immoral lifestyle to my family.
I don't care what you do in your own home, but please stop shoving your way of life down my throat.
you and your stories wrote:
big time eater wrote:
Most people who do keto are not in ketosis as they eat way too much protein. Excess protein gets converted to carbs, so all these keto'ers are never in ketosis. So this person may be telling the truth. Its just that to be in actual ketosis requires strict regulation of carbs AND protein which is something even the 'experts' dont tell them when they sell that diet.
I know all that. That's what I said, essentially. Saying that most people who "do keto" are not in ketosis, basically acknowledges my point. "Doing keto" requires the manipulation of your diet to get to a state of ketosis. Otherwise, you are not "doing keto".
My point was just that relatively few people who are on a keto diet are actually doing a true keto diet. Its just a trendy thing now, there are books, magazines and even specific products (hell even menu's with 'keto friendly' foods) all geared towards keto, yet almost none of these people are actually in ketosis for any length of time. So it seems odd to call somebody out and insinuate that they are lying.