Will Nick Bare (youtube weightlifting personality) break 3 hours today at Austin?

Relax Alan wrote:

He had to have known he was not going sub-3, which is likely why he gave up so early. God forbid his "brand" suffer by him revising down his goals to sub 3:30.

We'll see what he does from here but that was not a good performance and he should own up to it if he wants to be taken seriously as a fitness professional.

If his IG is to be believed, it looks like he will take another shot at the Eugene Marathon in late-April. For me, this seems a bit soon to be running another, and I wonder why he wouldn't look for something in May/June.

HIS RACE RECAP VIDEO IS UP, GO GO GO

For those in the thread who automatically assume steroids, I’d argue he has great genetics. Take a look at pics of his dad, who I doubt trains much, if at all, but looks stout as is. Add in some serious training, even at his dad’s age and I bet he’d be jacked.

Regarding his training, I couldn’t understand some of what was assigned by his coach. Granted, I am only basing my comments from a what I saw that Nick shared, but

-standing recovery between LT Intervals

-No long runs with Marathon pace/effort mixed in, nor over rolling terrain

-standalone hill repeat sessions; which I think hills are better served as a part of a workout and not a session all on their own

These are a few things that I just don’t think served him well. But again, as with others, we only saw snippets.

And when I hear a person say that they are going to “crush” a marathon, on their first try…

Just my $0.02

I think he’ll get to his goal eventually though.

Solid recap tbh. He admits he should've aimed for 3:15-3:20, and he ran with emotion and not to the course. Admits to bad pacing/strategy, says mile 19 is when it dawned on him he was not in good shape. Says he didn't train enough for hills, which bit him in the end. Yes, I think he's got a good long-term view and is going to improve pacing and training, but 8 weeks is too soon to be racing again. Also, I bonked my first 'thon (bad pacing, not enough training etc. etc.) and never thought about cadence/form as the problem, which was the first thing he siad.. More slower ("zone 2" according to him) runs is great and building his base. Mentioned tempos and intervals (good). Also said losing 10 pounds to 185 in the next 8 weeks (specifically muscle). Sounds like he's got a good plan...I'd just give himself more time to make the structural changes as opposed to training 7 weeks and then just 1 week of tapering.

I hadn't had a chance to listen to his podcast recap, but did catch on IG, his desire to bring his bodyweight down to 185.

If I were in his shoes, I'm not sure I'd try to purposely bring down my weight. I think I'd rather do the necessary marathon training, continue my strength training as-is, and just let my body settle in to whatever weight.

And to clarify, my comments certainly weren't meant to dog on him, even if I saw some newbie over-ambitiousness. I've been following Nick since late 2016 and think he's a pretty genuine person. I want to see him nail his goal. At least on the training side of things, I just have to question the coaching given to him. But I also tend to do better on 2 Big Workouts approach la Tinman, so I'm a little biased on approaches.

Sorry, but this would seem to be hypocrisy at its finest. You criticize people who call other people out for exaggerated feats, fake races, etc, because it doesn't affect us and therefore we are narcissists. And yet aren't you doing exactly the same thing? After all, people calling it this Nick Bare character are just doing something harmless that doesn't affect your life in any way whatsoever, yet you call them out and accuse THEM of being narcissists?

I watched the recap. He does admit he should have aimed for 3:15-3:20 but doesn't reveal why. I can only only it would be bad for his "brand" and sub-3 gets more clicks on YouTube.

He also oddly describes his slowing pace as if it were a surprise to him...is he not looking at a watch? Or times on his wrist? Does he really not realize he was slowing down by almost a minute/mile pace? Hard to believe it just dawned on him at 13 (as he says in the video) he wasn't going to do it.

I think everyone here is in consensus that no one goes from 3:24 to 2:59 in 8 weeks (unless he's doing EPO maybe?) so it seems like another bad decision if he's serious about running and not just looking for more excuses to take his shirt off.

In the video he kept talking about more tempo runs and hill repeats -- dude if you want to shave 25 minutes off your marathon time try running 50-70 miles per week for 3-6 months.

He's not Adolf Hitler. I don't root for him to fail. But he sure seems like a phony -- between lying about steroid use to sell supplements and faking a sub-3 attempt.

3:24 is not a true reflection of his current level though. He ran a terrible race on a hilly course. Most likely he's 10 minutes faster than that with proper pacing on a flat course . Add in another 7 weeks of training and more weight loss. He should be sub 3:10

I don't think he's a phony. Just a complete noob to distance running. I've seen people with much more experience than Nick make the same mistakes.

So long as he isn’t too beat up and can lose the 10lbs quickly you can absolutely drop from a 3:25 bonk to near 3 flat in 8 weeks. Especially if switching to a flatter course and with vaporflys. With his limited marathon experience he should probably take a bit more time though. I dunno if his frame creates more injury risk or injury prevention. He could really feel like trash when he starts training again so he should know that the 8 weeks will be too short if that’s the case. He probably needs 4 weeks easy with weight loss before a solid 8 weeks training.

In his video he also mentions he wants to stop heel striking and I think if he tries to change his foot strike in a rushed training block that could be very problematic. At the paces he is running I think he should stick to heel striking or just a minor change in the impact angle.

This guy is lost. Worrying about cadence, heel strike, etc. He just needs to run more.

He can go sub-3 by:

1. Not stupid fast pacing early

2. Faster marathon than Austin

3. Wear a singlet instead of a black t-shirt (wtf)

4. Probably correct some fueling mistakes

First of all, I have zero idea if he is clean.

Second it’s about BMI, not simple mass. That was an impressive run by a guy that size. I used to be almost that big totally cleanly, and I doubt if I could have broken 4.

And no I don’t just totally suck at distance.

There are no miracles in athletics. High BMI guys can’t run fast marathons. Walking skeleton distance runners can’t sprint fast.

No schit, Sherlock.

At just 29 years old, I have to think Nick Bare could be a beast MMA fighter if he has a decent chin. He is crazy strong and would have some of the best cardio in the division to boot. Tim Kennedy lives in Austin and is also an Army Ranger, so maybe Tim could help him out.

anon_hobby_jogger wrote:

He can go sub-3 by:

1. Not stupid fast pacing early - you mean like sub-3 pace early..he tried that.

2. Faster marathon than Austin - unless it's in low earth orbit, that's not gonna matter

3. Wear a singlet instead of a black t-shirt (wtf) - right, 18st body builder will take 25 mins of his time by wearing a different top, ok.

4. Probably correct some fueling mistakes - exactly! if only he had just one extra gel he would have done it!

I like his form.

Newbie runners always want to change their stride and footstrike, but that’s just not important except for chronically injured. Furthermore, you’ll notice not a single one of these ‘form guru’ coaches is ever fast.

He needs to do what every new runner must do: skip the shortcuts, slowly build mileage, lengthen long run, spend time on feet. And also, try to even or negative split races.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

First of all, I have zero idea if he is clean.

Second it’s about BMI, not simple mass. That was an impressive run by a guy that size. I used to be almost that big totally cleanly, and I doubt if I could have broken 4.

And no I don’t just totally suck at distance.

There are no miracles in athletics. High BMI guys can’t run fast marathons. Walking skeleton distance runners can’t sprint fast.

No schit, Sherlock.

Assume anyone making money directly or indirectly via their body in the fitness biz is on the juice. You will save yourself a lot of mental gymnastics.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

First of all, I have zero idea if he is clean.

Second it’s about BMI, not simple mass. That was an impressive run by a guy that size. I used to be almost that big totally cleanly, and I doubt if I could have broken 4.

And no I don’t just totally suck at distance.

There are no miracles in athletics. High BMI guys can’t run fast marathons. Walking skeleton distance runners can’t sprint fast.

No schit, Sherlock.

Assume anyone making money directly or indirectly via their body in the fitness biz is on the juice. You will save yourself a lot of mental gymnastics.

Alan

No, some people just build muscle differently. He’s a me so morph and he built up over the course of like 10 years. He was never near the size of professional BB.

Just because it’s something you can’t do doesn’t mean others can’t.

You acknowledge their are different body types due to genetics right ?

.InjuryProne. wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Assume anyone making money directly or indirectly via their body in the fitness biz is on the juice. You will save yourself a lot of mental gymnastics.

Alan

No, some people just build muscle differently. He’s a me so morph and he built up over the course of like 10 years. He was never near the size of professional BB.

Just because it’s something you can’t do doesn’t mean others can’t.

You acknowledge their are different body types due to genetics right ?

I know the industry. Chances are high he’s juicing because of the industry he is in. Why the hell wouldn’t he? I would. You would. We all would. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Learn something about the industry before making an uneducated response, k?

You must think people like The Rock and John Cena are clean too huh?

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

I know the industry. Chances are high he’s juicing because of the industry he is in. Why the hell wouldn’t he? I would. You would. We all would. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

It's possible he's not juicing, and he's not as obvious like a bodybuilder or strongman, but the betting line would lean toward juicing. Like you said, there's a whole lot of incentive to do it and very little incentive to not do it. It's not like a top track athlete who might get tested. Steroids work, his livelihood and reputation depend on him having a look that steroids can strongly contribute to, and he's never going to be tested. Why not do it?