In fairness he didn't quit. He just screwed up his pacing bigly and couldn't continue anywhere near 3 hour pace. Many such cases
Had a quick search on strava to see the course profile. First person I found ran 4:20 in a pair of next%
Anyway, pretty hilly course. 350m elevation.
Relax Alan wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
The people on this site seem to have a vendetta against those making money on their fitness exploits. Sometimes it even results in legal action against the owners (see: AV).
How are these people bothering you? Are you so frail with your 15:00 5k that it wounds you to see someone with a 18 or 20:00 5k make money from his/her fitness or nutritional schemes?
A sucker is born every minute.
Bare makes a TON of money with his supplement company. He is just a dude who works out.
Alan
Relax Alan. Nick is a professional social media influencer, not a hemophiliac with Stage 4 cancer who should be immune from criticism.
If you're going to be a professional self promoter/fitness guru on the internet it's fair to expect some objective criticism of your performances. Everyone's bonked in a marathon at some point but he gave up his pace after 10K.
It's funny, people on this board constantly rip Sage Canaday, another YouTube personality, but he's at least a 2:19 marathoner with some impressive trail achievements. But heaven forbid Saint Nick Bare be criticized for quitting on his goal after less than an hour into the race.
Exactly my point.....who cares how someone else lives their life or makes their money. If it does not impact you personally then WTF cares? Same goes for the outing of race cheats by folks not even in the race. The people here have a narcissism problem.
Live and let live :)
Alan
These folks are just as bad....who cares...
Runningart2004 wrote:
If it does not impact you personally then WTF cares? Same goes for the outing of race cheats by folks not even in the race. The people here have a narcissism problem.
Live and let live :)
Alan
Many would argue we have a moral responsibility to ensure people are not harming other people. Which they are doing when they cheat in races (via cutting or doping), in business, and on spouses. Law can be morally binding despite a lack of sanctions or implementation. On the other hand, snitches get stitches, so there's that to think about as well..
Steve Austin wrote:
I was at Austin to watch someone run and want to add my 2 cents.
First like someone mentioned the race did start about 45 minutes late for iirc a traffic/security reason. I'm sure this threw a a lot of runners' warmup and fueling off.
Second the weather was actually not bad at all. It was certainly a bit humid, but little wind and the sun didnt come out til the 5 hour mark.
Third this course is hilly as crap. Over 1000 feet of elevation gain total. First few miles are straight uphill then you give it all back by mile 6. Huge rolling hills through 12 and 18 and an incredibly sadistic climb up to mile 26 before a steep downhill finish.
Interesting side note. Leo Manzano hosted a 1 mile race the day before. A certain James Ngandu won in 4:14, then turned around won the half marathon the next day. Very impressive imo.
Classic James. He was an old college teammate of mine. His ability to recover is absolutely insane. Good to see him still killing it. He has run 61 in the last month or so, so this probably wasn't too too tough for him.
My roommate has asked me about this guy because he watches his videos. Without looking at his splits I figured either two things happened, he went out too hard or something happened due to the weather or an injury. If the latter wasn't the issue you have to be running way out of your mind for the first half to end up running over 24 minutes off your goal time. That leads me to believe he either hasn't been running enough or he knew he wasn't fit enough but wanted to see what happens. Probably both. This isn't a 5k, you can't just try to muscle out a time and "see what happens", it's stupid and for people that are following his training and don't know any better, it sets a bad example.
Still, I can't knock a guy for trying to improve in a discipline that he's new to. Interested to see where he goes from here.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Exactly my point.....who cares how someone else lives their life or makes their money. If it does not impact you personally then WTF cares? Same goes for the outing of race cheats by folks not even in the race. The people here have a narcissism problem.
Live and let live :)
Alan
The point of being a social media influencer, besides to sell bogus supplements to fellow roidheads, is to influence others. He's not a private citizen, not sure why you're so emotionally attached to his well-being.
You act like he's some buddhist monk feeding starving children in India. He's a walking supplement advertisement (Nick), why does criticism of him get you so riled up? Get a grip.
Nick posted 3 months of shirtless videos on YouTube about how he plans to run a sub-3 hour marathon then quit on that goal after less than an hour into the race. It's fair to question his training, knowledge and honesty -- maybe he knew he was nowhere near sub-3 shape but 'sub-3:30' didn't sound as good for his 'brand.'
No one's calling for him to be tarred and feathered. Relax, Alan.
Relax Alan wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Exactly my point.....who cares how someone else lives their life or makes their money. If it does not impact you personally then WTF cares? Same goes for the outing of race cheats by folks not even in the race. The people here have a narcissism problem.
Live and let live :)
Alan
The point of being a social media influencer, besides to sell bogus supplements to fellow roidheads, is to influence others. He's not a private citizen, not sure why you're so emotionally attached to his well-being.
You act like he's some buddhist monk feeding starving children in India. He's a walking supplement advertisement (Nick), why does criticism of him get you so riled up? Get a grip.
Nick posted 3 months of shirtless videos on YouTube about how he plans to run a sub-3 hour marathon then quit on that goal after less than an hour into the race. It's fair to question his training, knowledge and honesty -- maybe he knew he was nowhere near sub-3 shape but 'sub-3:30' didn't sound as good for his 'brand.'
No one's calling for him to be tarred and feathered. Relax, Alan.
I just choose not to care about how people make their living. I’m not attached to it in the way some of you are.
Feel free to criticize him. You are basically selling his product for him.
To be fair he’s been posting shirtless vids for almost a decade trying to sell his sups.
https://www.starterstory.com/stories/how-i-grinded-for-years-to-build-6m-year-bare-performance-nutritionGood for him for making a living by doing what he loves. He should be applauded, not criticized.
Clap. Clap. Clap.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
Exactly my point.....who cares how someone else lives their life or makes their money. If it does not impact you personally then WTF cares?
The Olympics do not impact me personally. The NBA does not impact me personally. The Daytona 500 does not impact me personally.
I shouldn't care about any of that?
I'm a fan of running and fitness. This guy has made himself a public figure in running and fitness, a kinda likeable one imo, and says "look at me". I look. Why are we not supposed to analyze his performance and training and stuff?
5'6 205 wrote:
Similar to Alex Viada claiming sub 420 at 220+ pounds and then selling a crap-ton of his 'hybrid athlete' books off of it.
Not a good comparison. Viada rarely entered any real competitions, in running or lifting, and blatantly lied about those he did enter even though the results were publicly available. I get the comparison, but this guy is not Viada level in charlatanness.
Just Average wrote:
maybe this wrote:
It's an easy mistake to make in a first marathon. When you're tapered, rested, and warmed up, your goal pace feels ridiculously easy. You let the pace come to you, and you get faster and faster. And then the wheels fall off at some point because 26.2 miles is a really long race.
If he'd gotten to 20 miles, sure.
He didn't even make it to 10 miles at his desired pace.
And we're not talking about Joe Q. Hobbyjogger, this is a former Army Ranger and fitness professional who literally makes a living on YouTube doing exercise.
Had he run a half or even a 10K a few weeks out he would have seen his fitness level was nowhere near sub-3 level.
Why should anyone take fitness advice from a guy who's performance is so far off his intended target?
He seems earnest enough but maybe put a shirt on and try a sub-18 5K first instead of 6 months of YouTube videos about your sub-3 marathon attempt.
Of course he is a former Army Ranger. They all live on YouTube.
He does all his running in Hoka rincons. I think he even raced in them. He's going to be working at the BQ goal for a long time IMO. Good luck to him.
Observant wrote:
I follow his channel and am a fan of his, because his background is relatable and I appreciate that he commits to his goals and puts it all out there. I've gotten some heat for this from some of my friends that follow him (after all, "he's a Ranger!!"), but I've been saying no way for a while now. Several reasons:
1) 2:59 isn't 3:05. It isn't 3:15. It's 2:59. Non-runners don't seem to understand that the curve for how hard running is isn't linear, it's exponential. I have watched some great athletes blow up on similar plans (I was a college triathlete and watched a number of guys do a 12wk build after a triathlon peak, and blow up religiously in the marathon). Yeah, there are talented guys out there who can go from a 25-30mpw low volume/high quality triathlon block with some biking and swimming and knock down sub-3, or sub 2:50, or occasionally sub 2:40. But, none of them weigh 195 (which is what Nick was reporting his weight as this past week). They weigh 140-155.
2) Firm believer that he runs his easy days too fast and his hard days too easy. He was running 7-7:20 pace on easy days and claimed it was a breeze. No way. If it was a breeze, he wouldn't have blown up at 30sec/mi faster than his claimed easy pace after just 6 miles. I'll add that I'm a bigger guy for a runner weight-wise, built more like a wrestler than a runner (5'8/170). I've run 1:20:xx for HM and low 36/high 35 for 10km at 170#, and I'm running my easy days closer to 8min, and sometimes 8:20-8:40. I think for bigger runners it's even more key to go easier on easy days to lighten the beating and save it for quality days.
3) He needs to ditch the bodybuilding if he wants to qualify. Another 5-10# of lost weight would go a long way. I've been up to 190# and ran better than I expected at that weight, but I sure as hell wasn't doing it for anything over 5-6mi, and being 170 is a world of difference. Look at David Goggins. Tons of pushups/pullups/lunges etc, still built like a machine, and can run respectably. If Nick ditches the meathead pump routine and trains like a savage like Goggins does, strips another 10# off, and does another 2-3 blocks of consistent training, I think he'll get it. He put the miles in, but didn't have the courage to lose some more muscle and commit 110%.
I think his background and mentality toward his work and life might actually be a bit of a detriment to his marathon training. Not everything has to be bust your butt hardwork. To your point of his easy day's not being easy. I think he might not realize just how easy, easy should be.
Oh Please wrote:
nub wrote:
He’s way too big, he also would need really cold conditions to perform at his best with way too much tissue for the body to keep from overheating over 42km.
He does seem serious about breaking 3 so I wonder if he’ll cut back from consuming so much of his powder and calories to get thin, but then maybe his youtube appeal will end if he looks like a normal runner.
Even in the 180s it should be pretty easy to do. I ran 1:26 and 3:04 at 195 pounds, age 38. I think if I would have been 185 instead I would have went sub 3.
lol you did it so it should be easy for everyone. Nice. If you ran 3:00 at 195, at age 38, you my friend, are extremely talented. If you lost 50 lbs you could have been in the Olympic trials with that type of talent. Not normal. At all.
Pathetic performance.. dude didn't even come CLOSE to his goal.
He ran like a jackass too... blew his wad early before all the big hills hit.
This guy went under 2:40 at NYC this year
Rupp fan wrote:
Here is what the letsrun degenerates will never understand: Nick Bare knew damn well that he would not break 3 or even come close. He knew that his fans are semi-retarded and would think that 3:2x was “pretty close”. After all, it’s still way faster than P. Diddy or Tiki Barber, right?
Bare knew he had created a win-win situation. The letsrun degenerates eagerly lined up to feed his publicity stunt. Hook, line, sinker. Choke on it, losers.
BAM ?
Runningart2004 wrote:
Relax Alan wrote:
The point of being a social media influencer, besides to sell bogus supplements to fellow roidheads, is to influence others. He's not a private citizen, not sure why you're so emotionally attached to his well-being.
You act like he's some buddhist monk feeding starving children in India. He's a walking supplement advertisement (Nick), why does criticism of him get you so riled up? Get a grip.
Nick posted 3 months of shirtless videos on YouTube about how he plans to run a sub-3 hour marathon then quit on that goal after less than an hour into the race. It's fair to question his training, knowledge and honesty -- maybe he knew he was nowhere near sub-3 shape but 'sub-3:30' didn't sound as good for his 'brand.'
No one's calling for him to be tarred and feathered. Relax, Alan.
I just choose not to care about how people make their living. I’m not attached to it in the way some of you are.
Feel free to criticize him. You are basically selling his product for him.
To be fair he’s been posting shirtless vids for almost a decade trying to sell his sups.
https://www.starterstory.com/stories/how-i-grinded-for-years-to-build-6m-year-bare-performance-nutritionGood for him for making a living by doing what he loves. He should be applauded, not criticized.
Clap. Clap. Clap.
Alan
Wrong. He should be both—as we all should be.
Don’t worry Alan, he can handle it.
Get some nikes wrote:
He does all his running in Hoka rincons. I think he even raced in them. He's going to be working at the BQ goal for a long time IMO. Good luck to him.
Worst thing about this is that he's a millionaire who took a Hoka sponsorship for an extra few pennies. You don't need the money Nick. Just buy a pair of Alphaflys.
runnER/DR wrote:
Oh Please wrote:
Even in the 180s it should be pretty easy to do. I ran 1:26 and 3:04 at 195 pounds, age 38. I think if I would have been 185 instead I would have went sub 3.
lol you did it so it should be easy for everyone. Nice. If you ran 3:00 at 195, at age 38, you my friend, are extremely talented. If you lost 50 lbs you could have been in the Olympic trials with that type of talent. Not normal. At all.
You are away too impressed by a mediocre time in a non-typical runner's body. I also broke three at 195 at 38, and I at no point was talented enough to think about the Trials. In HS, at a fairly normal runner's weight, I never even made it to states - not even close.
Maybe a 2:30 and your statement about talent would be true.
Just like "you did it so it should be easy for everyone" isn't true, so is "you can't, so it is impossible for everyone without insane talent."
Steve Austin wrote:
I was at Austin to watch someone run and want to add my 2 cents.
First like someone mentioned the race did start about 45 minutes late for iirc a traffic/security reason. I'm sure this threw a a lot of runners' warmup and fueling off.
Second the weather was actually not bad at all. It was certainly a bit humid, but little wind and the sun didnt come out til the 5 hour mark.
Third this course is hilly as crap. Over 1000 feet of elevation gain total. First few miles are straight uphill then you give it all back by mile 6. Huge rolling hills through 12 and 18 and an incredibly sadistic climb up to mile 26 before a steep downhill finish.
Interesting side note. Leo Manzano hosted a 1 mile race the day before. A certain James Ngandu won in 4:14, then turned around won the half marathon the next day. Very impressive imo.
Sounds like a hard course, but if the goal is <3:00 for someone who's only been training seriously for that distance for <1 year, I'm not sure why you'd pick a course like this (geographic convenience I guess). I know on LR most posters roll of bed and run 2:59 but for a normal person that takes quite a bit of serious training.
His pacing was particularly puzzling if the first few miles are uphill.