Gwen Jorgensen 15:47min 5km

You trolls are brutal coming back from injury isn’t linear , I think Gwen Jorgensens great for the sport she’s very open about her life and training and provides insight into the sport a lot of elites don’t want to provide , throw in the fact that she already has an Olympic gold she can do whatever wants. Do I think that’s a rough result sure but it’s only February , the reality of the situation is I’m sure she’s gearing up for the 10 , I’ve seen on multiple occasions from teammates , past teammates , myself , etc where they run a rough 5 on a hard training block and then when there in the 10 split faster the first 5k. It takes time in that training group the learning curves pretty rough given pretty much everyone on that team has either made a world team or medaled

She's actually not very open at all. She presents a completely scripted version of her life that suckers people like you into believing. If she were so open, then how come not one peep came from her about her injury that she said she battled for almost a year before giving in for surgery? I'm all for being open but not fake open. If you want to present as open, then you have to show the good with the bad (and everyone has plenty of bad). If you are dealing with an injury and it is driving you nuts trying to deal with it (which she now says she was), then some of the Talbot Cox fluff needs to be less of Stanley getting a BM and more of how the training is going (or not going due to injury).

I came back to running after 10 years of being a decent cyclist. Very quickly I ran 16 flat in the 5K which is definitely slower than Gwen, but close enough for comparison. I’ve been solely running for 5 -6 years and my 5K is still barely 16-flat. My marathon has dropped from 2:36 down to 2:26, but my overall speed hasn’t changed at all. I think it was easier to train intensity on the bike.

Mechanically I can’t run much faster than a 5 minute mile without serious risk. My 5K,10k,1/2 Marathon are all about the same pace. My guess from watching Gwens videos she might have similar problems. I doubt she can easily break a 5 minute mile. I bet her 10k will be the same pace as her 5K. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if her 5K effort from a few years ago will be one of her fastest. She’ll run a great 10K this year but I’d be surprised if she can develop the speed to run sub-15 in the 5k.

This right here. She's SO fake. I cannot believe that some people buy her bs.

This is a really interesting take, thanks for this.

Have you considered cross-training options to help your speed, such as short hill reps on a bike, weights, plyos, etc..? If I was training Gwen I would have her addressing her fundamental lack of strength rather than doing one hundred different light drills.

This is a really interesting take, thanks for this.

Have you considered cross-training options to help your speed, such as short hill reps on a bike, weights, plyos, etc..? If I was training Gwen I would have her addressing her fundamental lack of strength rather than doing one hundred different light drills.

Starno wrote:

The pure harsh truth :

She has a kid, she had a surgery, she's not hungry anymore. She's doing it just to make a living.

Woman has child, so cannot have other ambition. Congrats on winning 'Letsrun dick of the day'.

Do us all a favor and jump off the internet / cease speaking or typing for the rest of your life. Cheers. (M/27).

some nobody wrote:

wuzz there wrote:

Does she still need to get an OT standard in 5k and 10k -- anybody know?

If she has standards then she's got time to pull it together. If she needs to chase standards then her window is closing fast.

I believe she still needs to get standards. Jenny Simpson said in an interview that she was running the 5k this weekend just to get the 15:10 standard. Gwen definitely hasn't run either the 15:10 or 31:25 standards yet.

It's 15:20 and 32:25.

I’m not believing anything , I’m just saying relative to a lot of people in the sport she puts a lot of discussion on her training into the public all these runners are fake they have to sell a product but I doubt she’s making up the workouts she’s doing. I doubt she’s making any teams but I wouldn’t be shocked if she runs low 31s come outdoors

Ymmv,

Yes I have just started addressing it. For the first few years I experimented with just more mileage and load and my marathon time dropped so I was happy. As my marathon PR dropped from 2:36 to 2:26 my 5K actually got a bit slower. I wasn’t training much 5K specific work so that might be part of the issue. I can’t break 16 in a 5K and only run 33 for 10K. This winter I’m running indoor track meets and doing a ton of strides and hills. I’m in my 40’s so I think age might have something to do with this. This winter I’m going to continue racing track and shorter races. I’ve also added some basic plyo and strength.

Relating to Gwen I just think that adding more running volume might have made her slower. Training at altitude might not be good for her since she lacks the velocity needed. Alan Webb claims altitude made him slower and swimming made him faster.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/magness-marcus-on-coaching/id961516002?i=1000401551129

Thanks.

15:10 and 31:25 are OG standards she would need to have, ideally prior to OT. Don't know if athletes can chase standards post-OT.

I love Gwen's videos.

I'm slow AF compared to her and I'll be honest about that.

15:15/31-ish?/Probably 1:09 13.1 and 2:36 26.2 is nothing to sneeze at.

I would kill to get under 19 again, honestly, and I'm 36 and running out of time.

Where's the video of her chasing her husband with a frying pan? LOL someone mentioned that earlier.

Maybe she'll pull a Jack Nicklaus and stun everyone like he did in the '86 Masters.

Same with Allie Kieffer--or is she more of a Rocco Mediate in '08, battling Tiger through the back nine of the Masters that year?

Here is the video of her ̶e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶ response to the performance.

https://youtu.be/A3spmvunKUg

wuzz there wrote:

Thanks.

15:10 and 31:25 are OG standards she would need to have, ideally prior to OT. Don't know if athletes can chase standards post-OT.

You don't need them if your world rank is high enough.

jecht wrote:

I love Gwen's videos.

I'm slow AF compared to her and I'll be honest about that.

15:15/31-ish?/Probably 1:09 13.1 and 2:36 26.2 is nothing to sneeze at.

I would kill to get under 19 again, honestly, and I'm 36 and running out of time.

Where's the video of her chasing her husband with a frying pan? LOL someone mentioned that earlier.

Maybe she'll pull a Jack Nicklaus and stun everyone like he did in the '86 Masters.

Same with Allie Kieffer--or is she more of a Rocco Mediate in '08, battling Tiger through the back nine of the Masters that year?

Nicklaus was 46 when he won the 86 Masters. But he already had won it 5 times before. To do something great again, you have to have done something great at least once. Jorgensen's professional running career is more like the golfer who goes through qualifying school 15 times before he makes it on tour. She has never run a time that would make any quality U.S. or international runner take notice.

I'm starting to believe the professional triatholon circuit is filled with swimmers and cyclists who couldn't win a college division 3 race.

bladerunner wrote:

Nicklaus was 46 when he won the 86 Masters. But he already had won it 5 times before. To do something great again, you have to have done something great at least once. Jorgensen's professional running career is more like the golfer who goes through qualifying school 15 times before he makes it on tour. She has never run a time that would make any quality U.S. or international runner take notice.

I'm starting to believe the professional triatholon circuit is filled with swimmers and cyclists who couldn't win a college division 3 race.

Hyperbole I'm sure, but you do know she was a D-1 Track and XC All-American at Wisconsin? Jorgensen earned first-team All-America honors in cross country and outdoor track (3,000 meters) in 2008 and won Big Ten Conference titles in the indoor 3,000 and 5,000.

It is not easy to drop down from the marathon to the 5000/10000. Perhaps she needs more time to get into shape, to hang with the specialists on her team.

some nobody wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

Nicklaus was 46 when he won the 86 Masters. But he already had won it 5 times before. To do something great again, you have to have done something great at least once. Jorgensen's professional running career is more like the golfer who goes through qualifying school 15 times before he makes it on tour. She has never run a time that would make any quality U.S. or international runner take notice.

I'm starting to believe the professional triatholon circuit is filled with swimmers and cyclists who couldn't win a college division 3 race.

Hyperbole I'm sure, but you do know she was a D-1 Track and XC All-American at Wisconsin? Jorgensen earned first-team All-America honors in cross country and outdoor track (3,000 meters) in 2008 and won Big Ten Conference titles in the indoor 3,000 and 5,000.

I'm well aware of it. Do you know how many All-American golfers and runners never make it as professional athletes? All-American means very little in terms of making it as pro. Are you aware that Gwen was a CPA after college? Being a professional runner wasn't even on her radar. Her times weren't even close to good enough.

Clearly that does not apply to Jorgensen.