Back in the early 1980's Murray State had a very good program under Bill Cornell. When he left for Southern Illinois a few athletes followed him there. Murray State's program continued but the performances declined. Ultimately the Men's track program was cut (they kept XC) around 1987 or 1988.
Southern Illinois had a pretty good program under Bill Cornell. After he retired the program just kind of fell off.
Distance guru wrote:
The private school costs $60k while your in state P5 school costs $25k. Each offers you 10%. Now do you see why the US kid chooses the P5?
This is NOT what I was saying. Schools cost the same, one is a big P5 who is telling kid to walk on, mid Major is offering 50% scolly. Kid is good but not great(i.e girl: 5:05/2:13/11:10). Said girl goes P5 which could have gotten 50% athletic and great academic package to go for practically free.
Or even better if said girl is 2:10/4:50/10:45 you offer her full she goes to P5 for 10-30%. So then you sign 2:08/4:29/9:45 international kid. Domestic kids lost.
Except my numbers are real and yours are fake. Most P5 schools are better academically than the private mid-majors also which makes them more attractive. I don't beleive that the level of female foreign runners at private schools is higher than at P5 schools which contradicts your gut feeling.
Distance guru wrote:
Except my numbers are real and yours are fake. Most P5 schools are better academically than the private mid-majors also which makes them more attractive. I don't beleive that the level of female foreign runners at private schools is higher than at P5 schools which contradicts your gut feeling.
You’re talking about private mid-majors, which tuition is over twice as high as public mid-majors(schools I’m referring to). Overall, you’re missing the big point so I take it you have no clue about being a college coach at recruiting. So I will not go any further with you on this.
The public mid-majors as a group are much worse academically than P5s. So go to Illinois or Northern Illinois? No comparison. But you still can't provide any evidence to back up your feeling. That is all it is because there are no more foreigners at mid-majors than at P5s. So you are at a crappy mid-major and losing recruits to your P5? Check the average ACT scores of the 2 schools. You will see why US kids bypass your school.
Distance guru wrote:
The public mid-majors as a group are much worse academically than P5s. So go to Illinois or Northern Illinois? No comparison. But you still can't provide any evidence to back up your feeling. That is all it is because there are no more foreigners at mid-majors than at P5s. So you are at a crappy mid-major and losing recruits to your P5? Check the average ACT scores of the 2 schools. You will see why US kids bypass your school.
Mid majors don’t lose athletes because of academics, if anything we gain recruits because of academics/admissions standards. Your argument speaks to the minority, but is valid to that small group. Truth be told it’s no skin off the mid major, as foreign runners are typically better at handling the rigors of being a student-athlete and will pan out better over the course of their career. Again, this was a response to someone who said domestic athletes should get the scholarship money and foreign athletes should stay in their own country. So i am completely fine with the domestic kid making their decision to go p5, half of them end up in the transfer portal and go to mid majors for less than they would have received out of high school anyway.
I can go through Power 5 track rosters and show that 90% of the athletes do not transfer. And most of the ones who do were not on scholarship or were on small ones. The few decent ones who transfer go to another P5 school, not a mid-major. You can keep throwing out fake facts but they are easy to disprove.
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distance guru wrote:
I can go through Power 5 track rosters and show that 90% of the athletes do not transfer. And most of the ones who do were not on scholarship or were on small ones. The few decent ones who transfer go to another P5 school, not a mid-major. You can keep throwing out fake facts but they are easy to disprove.
I have to ask.. what is your proof? After reading both of you post, you’re the delusional one. The other poster made some very valid points which hold true for most domestic runners. You’re just saying “fake facts”, must be a trumplican.
You are free to check the rosters of the P5s across the past 4 years and you will see that 50% of the athletes are not transferring and definitely not transferring to mid-majors. It is a very rare occurrence.
ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:
I like this response! I was a 4:08 guy who received virtually no recognition and there was really nowhere to go from there. I'm not complaining, I relish my accomplishments and improvement but the college level is pretty skewed right now. You either have to be a genetic freak running 4:0x in hs or a 25 year old Australian to make an impact on the national level. We are inundated with social media about said athletes. Scholarships are few and far between especially for Mid D runners. It's just a new era of the sport. It made me appreciate things like HS conference meets and road races. Forget trying to make a dent in the mass of older foreigners breaking 4 in the NCAA, go win something at the D3 level or on the roads and have fun.
The Aussies Pat Tiernan and Morgan McDonald were of the right age....same with Oliver Hoare. Please refrain from making comments about 25 year old Australians as it just isn't true.
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:
Alabama BSS wrote:
To give scholarships for something as meaningless as running to a foreign student is stupid. There are American athletes who could benefit from the coaching and the money. To those that say “maybe they should get better”, well you are right. They should. But that opportunity would exist if they didn’t have foreigners in their way taking up roster space and money. The foreign athletes can run in their own country.
I would like to see an NCAA ban on using scholarships on foreign athletes. Foreign athlete can self-finance ( personal/family funds, homeland government provided money, etc.) and are welcome to walk on and compete. University and taxpayer funds that count against your scholarship total should only be allocated to domestic athletes.
Could you elaborate on that part please. I wasn’t exactly sure what you’re referring to.
distance guru wrote:
You are free to check the rosters of the P5s across the past 4 years and you will see that 50% of the athletes are not transferring and definitely not transferring to mid-majors. It is a very rare occurrence.
First it was 90% now it’s 50%.. how did the firm statistic drop so low that quickly? Man you’re just pushing an agenda and missing the other poster’s point. Keeping all variables equal academically speaking, a domestic kid will pay more to walk on a P5 school vs getting a sizable scholarship to a mid major. You think these Instagram loving kids are soo soo worried about the academics and which colleges degree will be more covenant when most of these T&F athletes major in exercise science!?!? Wake up!! “Stop crying” is correct you’re wrong get over it!
Nicholls State has some k-mart Kenyans. 21 minutes for 5k is unacceptable for a kenyan!