Japanese collegian Yuya Yoshida hops in marathon and debuts at 2:08:30 at Beppu-Oita Mainichi Marathon!!

Was it done in cheaterflys? If so it’s worth 2:10:xx.

The race was also one of the “deepest” in race history with several Japanese sub 2:10. How many were in cheaterflys?

game changer ? wrote:

Was it done in cheaterflys? If so it’s worth 2:10:xx.

The race was also one of the “deepest” in race history with several Japanese sub 2:10. How many were in cheaterflys?

For japanese men you can assume in 98% of the cases they're in Vaporflys by now, they completly bought into it. It should be however noted that sub 2:10 isn't that special by japanese standards, vaporfly or not.

game changer ? wrote:

Was it done in cheaterflys? If so it’s worth 2:10:xx.

The race was also one of the “deepest” in race history with several Japanese sub 2:10. How many were in cheaterflys?

its pedantic to say races won in the vaporflys are only worth time - x:xx. In another 10 years, there will be no times in any record book road or track that were not run in carbon fiber plate technology. I don't like it, but thats what happens when a company like nike has a near monopoly over the sport, their product is too big to fail. I'm just glad world athletics put a rule in place to keep it from getting worse. The next generation of runners will view pre vaporfly shoes the way we would view shoes from the 60s or earlier

Now that out of the way, lets talk about this race. I hope this guy makes a career of running. He could be a threat to make the 2024 olympics. I wonder what other nations' top marathon debut times are. For comparison, Ryan Hall ran 20824 to set the american marathon debut record and Hasay ran 2:23:00.

BTW, I think the worst marathon debut by a pro might be Dick Beardsley who improved from 24714 to 20853. I believe he is still in the top 10 for US marathoners and only one American vaporflier has beaten him, despite the tech being out for quite a while now.

I can't (quickly) find what Yoshida ran before this race, but I'd be curious to know.

game changer ? wrote:

Was it done in cheaterflys? If so it’s worth 2:10:xx.

The race was also one of the “deepest” in race history with several Japanese sub 2:10. How many were in cheaterflys?

You mean the shoes that were just classified as legal by the governing body? Those shoes?

I’m also pretty impressed with the number 5 finisher Byambajav Tseverrnravdan from Mongolia.

Surprisingly, this is not even a national record. The NR is 2:08:30 by Ser-od Bat-Chir who has the national records from 5k on up.

5000 m 14:18.53 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 9 July 2011 Asian Championships

5 km (road) 14:29+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

10000 m 29:43.79 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 14 November 2009 Asian Championships

10 km (road) 28:56+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

15 km (road) 43:54+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

20 km (road) 58:54+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half

Half marathon 1:02:10 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Marugame Half Marathon

30 km (road) 1:31:10 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 December 2014 Fukuoka Marathon

Marathon 2:08:50 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 December 2014 Fukuoka Marathon

Bib #1 wrote:

I’m also pretty impressed with the number 5 finisher Byambajav Tseverrnravdan from Mongolia.

Surprisingly, this is not even a national record. The NR is 2:08:30 by Ser-od Bat-Chir who has the national records from 5k on up.

5000 m 14:18.53 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 9 July 2011 Asian Championships

5 km (road) 14:29+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

10000 m 29:43.79 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 14 November 2009 Asian Championships

10 km (road) 28:56+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

15 km (road) 43:54+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half Marathon

20 km (road) 58:54+ Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Kagawa Marugame Half

Half marathon 1:02:10 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 February 2016 Marugame Half Marathon

30 km (road) 1:31:10 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 December 2014 Fukuoka Marathon

Marathon 2:08:50 Ser-Od Bat-Ochir 7 December 2014 Fukuoka Marathon

Mongolia is probably a really good place to run long distance and doesn't have a lot of distractions. If athletics was popular there, I'd bet the mongolians would rival the Japanese.

The United States should fast track him to citizenship so they would have a sub 2:10 marathoner at their trials.

Bib #1 wrote:

I’m also pretty impressed with the number 5 finisher Byambajav Tseverrnravdan from Mongolia.

Unreal progression. 2:12 before and already this time was a huge PB.

macdaddy wrote:

game changer ? wrote:

Was it done in cheaterflys? If so it’s worth 2:10:xx.

The race was also one of the “deepest” in race history with several Japanese sub 2:10. How many were in cheaterflys?

You mean the shoes that were just classified as legal by the governing body? Those shoes?

I didn’t say the performance was illegal. Much to my chagrin, the cheaterflys are legal.

I said the performance is inherently worth less because of the clown shoes, and is impossible to compare to pre-cheaterfly historical lists. Any thinking person must acknowledge this, even if they don’t care.

We’re in the asterisk era. Sigh.

Is Bat-Ochir still running? From reading about him and interviews with him it’s sounds like Mongolia is actually a pretty difficult place to train because of the cold (I think he said that he had to wear like four layers of clothes). His times started dropping when I think he was able to train in England part time. I need to find the article to verify.

Anyone know the new guy’s story?

Flo’da boy wrote:

Is Bat-Ochir still running? From reading about him and interviews with him it’s sounds like Mongolia is actually a pretty difficult place to train because of the cold (I think he said that he had to wear like four layers of clothes). His times started dropping when I think he was able to train in England part time. I need to find the article to verify.

Anyone know the new guy’s story?

Not likely Bat-O is still competitive. He’s 38 years old. Hasn’t broken 2:10 for 5 years now.

2019 2:22:14 Mumbai (IND) 20 JAN 2019

2018 2:12:12 Hofu (JPN) 16 DEC 2018

2017 2:13:22 Fukuoka (JPN) 03 DEC 2017

2016 2:13:43 Osaka (JPN) 30 OCT 2016

2015 2:10:15 Hamburg (GER) 26 APR 2015

2014 2:08:50 Fukuoka (JPN) 07 DEC 2014

2013 2:09:00 Hofu (JPN) 15 DEC 2013

2012 2:11:05 Oita (JPN) 05 FEB 2012

2011 2:11:35 London (GBR) 17 APR 2011

2010 2:12:42 Berlin (GER) 26 SEP 2010

2009 2:17:19 Hofu (JPN) 20 DEC 2009

2008 2:14:15 Beijing (CHN) 20 APR 2008

2007 2:16:22 Beijing (CHN) 21 OCT 2007

2006 2:20:13 Beijing (CHN) 15 OCT 2006

2005 2:36:31 Olympic Stadium, Helsinki (FIN) 13 AUG 2005

2004 2:26:44 Hong Kong (HKG) 08 FEB 2004

2003 2:26:39 Stade de France, Paris-St-Denis (FRA) 30 AUG 2003

You mean in addition to the several other sub 2:10 runners in our upcoming trials?

Put the entire OT field in Cheaterflys and run the OT on the CIM or even Chicago course and you won't see six sub-2:10.

Supposedly he is quitting running next month, after graduating school.

http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2020/02/sahli-breaks-beppu-oita-course-record.html

Kvothe wrote:

I can't (quickly) find what Yoshida ran before this race, but I'd be curious to know.

PRs:

14:20 in 2019

29:47.93 in 2018

44:31 for 15 km in 2018

1:03:19 in 2019

Not good enough to make the team for his school's Hakone Ekiden team until this year.

zzzz wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

I can't (quickly) find what Yoshida ran before this race, but I'd be curious to know.

PRs:

14:20 in 2019

29:47.93 in 2018

44:31 for 15 km in 2018

1:03:19 in 2019

Not good enough to make the team for his school's Hakone Ekiden team until this year.

Those are his times World Athletics knows of, he already showed improved shape by running 28:42 last November though (in Vaporflys btw before someone claims that "only" 28:42 on the track proof the superiority of those shoes):

Other than that his most impressive performance before of course was his Hakone course record (20.9 km net uphill in 1:00:30).

game changer ? wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

You mean the shoes that were just classified as legal by the governing body? Those shoes?

I didn’t say the performance was illegal. Much to my chagrin, the cheaterflys are legal.

I said the performance is inherently worth less because of the clown shoes, and is impossible to compare to pre-cheaterfly historical lists. Any thinking person must acknowledge this, even if they don’t care.

We’re in the asterisk era. Sigh.

Well, the time is only actually worth 2:18 because he didn't run it barefoot on a dirt trail in a loincloth.