NC State Athlete Development - Women's Team

Indoor? wrote:

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

Wow! You show once again you have little to no knowledge of the program or college cross country in general.

Kettle? Black?

I never said it was you on the previous response, did I? How many programs have won 4 xc titles in row ?

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

How many programs have won 4 xc titles in row ?

Villanova won 6 straight. Stanford won 4 out of 5. BYU 3 of 4.

Indoor? wrote:

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

How many programs have won 4 xc titles in row ?

Villanova won 6 straight. Stanford won 4 out of 5. BYU 3 of 4.

So one team has won 4 straight or more. That is what I thought.

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Villanova won 6 straight. Stanford won 4 out of 5. BYU 3 of 4.

So one team has won 4 straight or more. That is what I thought.

Cool dude, not sure what the point of that is. The way you guys are anointing this recruiting class and NC State it should happen right?

Just curious you think they gave their top four or five recruits this year full athletic scholarships

They certainly probably had a lot of full athletic scholarship offers

Anyway just curious if anyone knows how these top schools structure the offers

Smart kids apply to their 5 official visit schools early in order to find out their academic offers before taking official visits. Conversely, they wait until they receive their acceptance information even if they apply after their visit. That way, they know exactly what they will pay.

Stopwatcher wrote:

Just curious you think they gave their top four or five recruits this year full athletic scholarships

They certainly probably had a lot of full athletic scholarship offers

Anyway just curious if anyone knows how these top schools structure the offers

North Carolina State is known for putting almost all of their scholarships into distance runners. They win ACCs in cross country but are normally no higher than 6th in the ACC during indoor and outdoor track.

It's likely that all 5 of them aren't paying anything to attend college. Some may be on half academic half athletic scholarships, some on full athletic scholarship.

Indoor? wrote:

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

So one team has won 4 straight or more. That is what I thought.

Cool dude, not sure what the point of that is. The way you guys are anointing this recruiting class and NC State it should happen right?

You are the only one here saying that. This recruiting class is absolutely outstanding, but if you know about this sport you would also know nothing is guaranteed.

I know it is difficult for you to understand why NC State is having so much success, but that is totally on you. Many understand.

DistanceRunner14 wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Cool dude, not sure what the point of that is. The way you guys are anointing this recruiting class and NC State it should happen right?

You are the only one here saying that. This recruiting class is absolutely outstanding, but if you know about this sport you would also know nothing is guaranteed.

I know it is difficult for you to understand why NC State is having so much success, but that is totally on you. Many understand.

I understand perfectly how they are having the success they are having. The point that has been made clearly by several people with backing evidence is that probably the term "so much success" does not apply. You must either be from the school or a parent to be this stubborn about facts.

They are certainly an above average program and with the recruiting class have the potential to be much better than that. I'm not too worried about being right or wrong, time will prove me right when sadly for these girls their decision proves to be pretty poor. When that time comes you will say things like "Well not everyone improves and injuries happen." But I'm guessing deep down you and everyone else will know if they had decided to go other better programs they would have had a more likely chance to flourish.

In closing, a question. To you DistanceRunner14, with the fact that they finished 5th last year and with the recruiting class. What needs to happen team wise in the next 4 years for it to be a success?

This is a Flotrack workout from 2015. Watch the end of the video as the Frazier sisters are obviously not on the same training schedule as the team, excuses are given for why they aren't with the team. They aren't even working out with each other! I'm guessing dad may have still been in charge at this point.

Many of the HS elite girls have a personal coach or train on their own in addition to what their team does. Is this a draw to NC State as the coaching staff will accommodate that? I agree with the decision based on running, they have been successful in the last 5 years and looks like a great place to train.

They are a top 10 program over the past 10 years. But they are a top 3 program in terms of recruits which means they don't develop as much as the top 5 teams.

CU fan here. I have watched some of this discussion with amusement. Basically every top program tries to combine excellent recruiting with proper training and good luck to win an NCAA title. There are various recruiting strategies for allocating scholarships, bringing in foreigners, accepting transfers, and trying to avoid "burnout" candidates or just go for the best times. The popularity of schools also go through cycles.

At the end, where the luck comes in is getting 5 ladies to the starting line healthy, perfectly trained and peaked, and running their best race all on the same day that counts.

Between 2015 and 2019 CU had a ladies team capable of winning or being on the podium each year, but only won the NCAA title in 2018. Why? The top 6 ladies all ran their best race of the season (and career?) on exactly the same day. That might not even have been the best recent team, they even were beat pretty soundly at PAC12 by Oregon, but in the one race that mattered everyone performed. The 2019 team on the other hand had injuries, unexpected red shirts, and a poor race day performance at NCAA's.

So with all that can go right or wrong on race day, the coach and team just works to get a quality team to the start line on a regular basis, and you enjoy the wins when it all comes together.

NC State has managed to have a solid team returning from 2019, and now a great recruiting class for 2020 (and probably 1-3 more in 2021), so they are pretty much assured to be on the starting line with a chance next year (and for several years). The issue will be how do 5-7 runners perform on race day?

I also think what is underrated is that Coach Henes and Daughter plus Zachgo and Chmiel have created a welcoming team environment for the NY/Northeast kids. It's not an accident that Chmiel, Tuohy, Starliper, Walters and Schultz all want to train together. The recruiting strategy of promising kids from Carolina/Southeast plus a pipeline of NY/Northeast girls looking for warm weather may be a successful long term advantage.

Obviously, nothing is guaranteed, but it will be fun to watch who from this "dream team" is at the starting line/redshirts and how they perform in November 2020.