Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
5th in the nation so nothing to worry about. Not every recruit is gonna work out the way it should on paper, its pretty obvious they know what they're doing in Raleigh.
How would I rate them? Very high. Just look at the results.
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
..have you ever heard the back story about the Frazier’s highschool years with the abuse from their criminally insane father..?
chill wrote:
5th in the nation so nothing to worry about. Not every recruit is gonna work out the way it should on paper, its pretty obvious they know what they're doing in Raleigh.
Agreed, there are 333 women Div 1 XC programs. NC State is 5th, therefore, there are 328 programs which should be more concerned about that than NC State.
Right now, they are in a very good spot.
Henes, the school 5000m record holder (indoor/outdoor) is on the squad (but graduating), in addition to Chmiel 5th indoor.
They also have Clairmonte who has the 2nd best indoor mile in school history (4:38.5)
...so they are starting from a very good base.
They finished 5th because they don't care about track. There is as much decline as improvement of athletes. Not where I would send my daughter for a full ride.
Track guy scholarship wrote:
They finished 5th because they don't care about track. There is as much decline as improvement of athletes. Not where I would send my daughter for a full ride.
you would if she had problems getting admitted elsewhere
Track guy scholarship wrote:
They finished 5th because they don't care about track. There is as much decline as improvement of athletes. Not where I would send my daughter for a full ride.
Do you have a daughter that is top ten in the country?
Qfrcined wrote:
chill wrote:
5th in the nation so nothing to worry about. Not every recruit is gonna work out the way it should on paper, its pretty obvious they know what they're doing in Raleigh.
Agreed, there are 333 women Div 1 XC programs. NC State is 5th, therefore, there are 328 programs which should be more concerned about that than NC State.
Right now, they are in a very good spot.
Henes, the school 5000m record holder (indoor/outdoor) is on the squad (but graduating), in addition to Chmiel 5th indoor.
They also have Clairmonte who has the 2nd best indoor mile in school history (4:38.5)
...so they are starting from a very good base.
Henes is the coach's daughter.
I would be even less likely to send my daughter if she was top 10 in running because I would want a program with demonstrated improvement. I wouldn't send her because she is too good academically.
This is truly a sick place. Have you no shame?
Dude I can see right through your clown post. You're trying to get people to tell you that Tuohy will regress because you are secretly hoping for her downfall. Get out of here. Stop being so jealous dude. We know it bruises your ego.
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
But if he says that she should go somewhere other than NC State, wouldn't that mean he wants her to do well?
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
No being facetious here, but what programs (more than one) do you think would develop her properly in your eyes? Personally, I think Coach Henes is a good coach. The Fraziers were very unique with their helicopter Dad being so involved. Rollie Geiger gets success but I personally don’t think his overall record of development is good. Some of his athletes do development very well and are memorable, but his percentage of talent development is quite bad. Coach Henes fairly recently got to be in full charge of the women’s program. Even when she was involved those other years, it was still Coach Geiger. I think a lot of people conflate her coaching ability with his because it looks like she hitched her wagon to him awhile ago. I would say she is now as autonomous as Coach Taylor is to Coach Eyestone at BYU. With that freedom, she has really made a name for herself recently. Look, at the end of the day Katelyn will do great wherever she goes. She is a mega talent who is also extremely hard-working. Another parallel is Chesrek. You put that guy in any other program in the country and he still will be a threat for an NCAA title. I know, I know, not exactly the same circumstances...but that’s how I view Katelyn. She will be good anywhere she goes. NC State has a good coach with what looks like a fun program. I think she will do amazing there.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Dude I can see right through your clown post. You're trying to get people to tell you that Tuohy will regress because you are secretly hoping for her downfall. Get out of here. Stop being so jealous dude. We know it bruises your ego.
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
I never mentioned Tuohy. In fact, you are the first person to mention Tuohy in this thread.
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
No being facetious here, but what programs (more than one) do you think would develop her properly in your eyes? Personally, I think Coach Henes is a good coach. The Fraziers were very unique with their helicopter Dad being so involved. Rollie Geiger gets success but I personally don’t think his overall record of development is good. Some of his athletes do development very well and are memorable, but his percentage of talent development is quite bad. Coach Henes fairly recently got to be in full charge of the women’s program. Even when she was involved those other years, it was still Coach Geiger. I think a lot of people conflate her coaching ability with his because it looks like she hitched her wagon to him awhile ago. I would say she is now as autonomous as Coach Taylor is to Coach Eyestone at BYU. With that freedom, she has really made a name for herself recently. Look, at the end of the day Katelyn will do great wherever she goes. She is a mega talent who is also extremely hard-working. Another parallel is Chesrek. You put that guy in any other program in the country and he still will be a threat for an NCAA title. I know, I know, not exactly the same circumstances...but that’s how I view Katelyn. She will be good anywhere she goes. NC State has a good coach with what looks like a fun program. I think she will do amazing there.
Then post names of women who developed really well besides the coach's daughter. That was the question I was asking. I don't care about Tuohy.
Because I can read through you. Unlike others, I have a 6th sense from being raised on the streets. I can smell when someone has sinister intentions a mile away.
Duked wrote:
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Dude I can see right through your clown post. You're trying to get people to tell you that Tuohy will regress because you are secretly hoping for her downfall. Get out of here. Stop being so jealous dude. We know it bruises your ego.
I never mentioned Tuohy. In fact, you are the first person to mention Tuohy in this thread.
Duked wrote:
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
No being facetious here, but what programs (more than one) do you think would develop her properly in your eyes? Personally, I think Coach Henes is a good coach. The Fraziers were very unique with their helicopter Dad being so involved. Rollie Geiger gets success but I personally don’t think his overall record of development is good. Some of his athletes do development very well and are memorable, but his percentage of talent development is quite bad. Coach Henes fairly recently got to be in full charge of the women’s program. Even when she was involved those other years, it was still Coach Geiger. I think a lot of people conflate her coaching ability with his because it looks like she hitched her wagon to him awhile ago. I would say she is now as autonomous as Coach Taylor is to Coach Eyestone at BYU. With that freedom, she has really made a name for herself recently. Look, at the end of the day Katelyn will do great wherever she goes. She is a mega talent who is also extremely hard-working. Another parallel is Chesrek. You put that guy in any other program in the country and he still will be a threat for an NCAA title. I know, I know, not exactly the same circumstances...but that’s how I view Katelyn. She will be good anywhere she goes. NC State has a good coach with what looks like a fun program. I think she will do amazing there.
Then post names of women who developed really well besides the coach's daughter. That was the question I was asking. I don't care about Tuohy.
Forest makes a good point but women are a lil more delicate than guys are in regard to developing or staying stagnant. Theirs a lot more “maintenance” work that as a coach You have to be proactive about and see the Signs early on. Overtraining, emotional distress, etc girls don’t show it as easily they try to hide it and arent open like guys are. So it’s tough but I think henes will do a great job with her!
Duked wrote:
Since so many great high school seniors just committed to NC State, I was doing some research to see what other top recruits have done at NC State. I could not find many top recruits that improved much. For example the Fraziers.
How would you rate the progress of top women in the NC State program?
How do you define development? Knowing that will really help you rate the progress of different programs.
Here are some schools where the majority of the female runners improved.
ND
Georgia
minnesota
Indiana
Boston College
Iowa
Utah
Wisconsin
Oregon
Michigan
Villanova
Missouri
Bradley
Furman
Arkansas
BYU
Princeton
Stanford
Michigan St
New Mexico
Colorado
Washington
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