Looking to get a D1 Scholly

9:10 will get you a spot on any Big 10 team but probably only gets books.

9:10 gets your close to a full at our Sun Belt program. However, we've never signed a 9:10 performer. Mostly 9:20 guys. The 9:10 guys go to P5 schools.

A 5k cross country time doesn't mean anything specific. Winning the state meet or qualifying individually for NXN or Footlocker does. Those are the only ways they'll care about your cross country result. The track is flat everywhere, and always the same distance. To get a scholarship at a good track and field school that contends for their conference title every year would take 8:50's to really get anything. 9:0's will get you some money for a below average P5 team. 9:10-9:20 will not get you anything at a P5 school, but you could walk on to pretty much all of them with that. 9:20's and you could find some, 9:30's you're not walking on anywhere good. These are obviously all 3200 times.

How many guys run sub 9 now each year, like 70? 50 seniors? And then you've got a some foreign athletes that run that or faster, so you've got like 60 sub 9 guys going into the division 1 programs each year. Only a few partial scholarships are really available each year for men because they have 12.6 for the entire track team. There are 65 P5 schools which makes an estimated 185 partial scholarship recipients to distance runners each year. A third of them are sub 9 guys, then the rest are 9:0X guys. Only way you get something with a 9:15 is if you had an incredible cross country season where you won state or qualified for nxn or footlocker nationals.

Bookworms wrote:

9:10 will get you a spot on any Big 10 team but probably only gets books.

Solid, I’ll go for that at minimum and then work at getting a bit more money. I’m going to up my miles to 45 over the offseason to build a huuuge base

Ok kid, here is the most real and best answer you are going to get.

Contact Ohio State. It's obviously a big school, they actually have signed a couple of studs out of Ohio for next year, so they are looking up, but they are still down far enough that they will be interested in you. You get under 9:20, and Ohio State will be interested.

Coaches don't trust XC times wrote:

How many guys run sub 9 now each year, like 70? 50 seniors?

Not true. In 2018, 33 boys broke 9:00, 21 of them seniors. Let's deal with reality shall we?

Reality is that you don't know for sure what a coach has coming in or needs until you ask.

Most Big 10 teams will at least show interest in a guy under 9:20. Half of those teams will take you at 9:20. Money or amount of money is a different matter. Anyone who expects to get a ton of money at a P5 D1 school with a 9:10 PR is sorely mistaken.

Try SIU in Carbondale. You might be able to get some scholarship money there. Nice indoor facility there as well and a good outdoor track. Has an on campus XC course too.

To get a significant scholarship (50% or more) at the really good power 5 schools (The Teams that make NCAA Nationals) you have to run at least sub 1:50, sub 4:10 or sub 9. Most of those successful teams start walk ons at 1:53, 4:15 and 9:10. Of course there are a few good power 5 program teams who take chances at the 1:55,4:20 and 9:20 but those are rare. Most of the average to lower end Power 5 teams take 1:55,4:20 and 9:20 as walk ons. If I was a 1:55, 4:20 or 9:20 guy I would look at really good mid majors and really good division 2 schools that will offer you something. Id only look at Power 5 schools if I ran 1:53, 4:15 or 9:10 unless you find that one good P5 program that takes a chance on you with your times in that other range.

XC times don't matter nearly as much as track.

4:20/9:20 will get you options from most D1 schools, but maybe just free books.

If your ability to afford college is an issue, you can get some money from a scholarship but also look at schools that you like and see if you can get financial aid.

Financial aid makes everything a bit less stressful because how much money you get through the years is not determined by how fast you run.

Yearly normally about a Max of 15 JUNIORS run sub 9, sub 4:10 or 1:50 or faster. Those are the ones that are getting significant scholarship money to really good programs.

Again, thanks all. This is great stuff. Like I said before I’m turning my miles up to 45 to build that monster base with the hopes to go sub 9:10 in the deuce and sub 4:15 in the mile.

I’ll take a look at Ohio State but I’m not a huge Columbus fan as I think it’s a trash city. I’ve never been to Carbondale so what is the vibe there? Hope everybody posting here has a good holiday!

SIU used to be a solid T&F/XC school. The former coach, Bill Cornell, recruited heavily from his native England and brought over a number of runners who developed quite well. Chris Bunyan ran 2:10:54 at Boston back in the 80's and a number of others got D1 national qualifying times. It's not quite the same now but still a good school. It used to have a "party school" name attached to it but I think that has changed. I didn't go to undergrad there but did for grad school.

Another school in the area is University of Southern Indiana in Evansville. The coach is top notch and they do quite well. It is a D2 school but they can beat a number of D1 schools in XC.

The average ACT at both of those schools is 22. May as well find a D2 school.

Talking about 45 miles as a monster base means you are very, very undertrained and if you can get to 9:10ish on that you might get some more interest as an athlete without much mileage and therefore more upside left.

I am going to start referring to the 3200 as "the deuce" when I'm talking to my runners. haha. this should give me uber credibility with the 16 year old crowd.

BIGTIMER wrote:

To get a significant scholarship (50% or more) at the really good power 5 schools (The Teams that make NCAA Nationals) you have to run at least sub 1:50, sub 4:10 or sub 9. Most of those successful teams start walk ons at 1:53, 4:15 and 9:10. Of course there are a few good power 5 program teams who take chances at the 1:55,4:20 and 9:20 but those are rare. Most of the average to lower end Power 5 teams take 1:55,4:20 and 9:20 as walk ons. If I was a 1:55, 4:20 or 9:20 guy I would look at really good mid majors and really good division 2 schools that will offer you something. Id only look at Power 5 schools if I ran 1:53, 4:15 or 9:10 unless you find that one good P5 program that takes a chance on you with your times in that other range.

I second this. I agree with these types of times getting you these types of things. A big thing to think of is do you really want to show up to a decent P5 school if you're only a 9:20's guy? There'd be a very good chance that you will never make the travel team, and not making the travel team wouldn't be much fun. Go somewhere where you can actually compete, and not just practice.

Most kids in that 9:15-9:40 range do everything they can in order get on a D1 roster even though most will never get to compete.

What? It's this type of garbage that I can't stand on these message boards. It's a bunch of kids that don't know jack about running in college.

There are 300 programs that are D1. Each program has about 15-25 kids on the XC roster.

Go to any D1 Conference that is not Stanford, Colorado, or Oregon, etc., and check the rosters. Here is my team -

#1 Runner. Former 9:36 runner.

#2 Runner. Former 9:22 runner.

#3 Runner. Former 9:17 runner

#4 Runner. Former 9:54 runner

#5 Runner. Former 9:47 runner.

#6 Runner. Former 9:28 runner.

#7 Runner. Former 10:04 runner.

We have signed a 4;23 kid, a 1:55 kid, and 9:52 kid so far. We do not make top 20 at NCAA XC Regionals, but we all compete at a high level. The #1 runner is All-Region in XC and a qualifier on the Track. Runners 8-12 are sub-10:10 guys with a couple 9:20-9:40 guys coming back from injuries, etc.

You can run if you are 4:20/9:30 at any school in the country. If you don't believe so, give me a school and I will show you a kid on the roster.

Wisconsin. Michigan. Indiana. Purdue. If they have 1 or 2 on the roster, they don't travel to any real meets.