***--------------------DIVISION 3 MENS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM PREVIEW--------------------***

there have been some good steeple and cross runners. Karl Remsen, Justin Easter why can't Barr do the same.

Of course LAX is a favorite look who they return.UWP should place well because they return their entire team. Prolly shouldnt forget about them. What abour Haverford,they have a lot coming back. I like sawicki for indy. cuz he has ran on the course a lot. I could see Yuot winning just as easily though. He is very simlar to Moen and Moen killed everyone the past two years

Yeah, I think the original poster got it right at the start; it's just interesting that the only two teams predicted for the win are Lax and NW and some guy is on here talking about how people keep saying NCC and Calvin, not NW.

It's like people don't read the whole thread.

Steeple is different than cross, yes, but Barr will still be good- I don't know if he'll be a contender for the indi title or anything like that, but he's definately good at both track and cross.

26 Zach Barr, Jr 25:13.5 Monmouth College(Ill)

He was an All-American in cross last year.

Does anyone else agree that the steeple is similar to cross? especially on a tough course? They are both races that require a tremendous amount of strength.

Though not division 3, another example of a great steeple/cross runner is Kelly Christensen from Western State (steeple champ/3rd in cross).

I think all three Great Lakes teams will do well at Nationals this year. That course is relatively close for any team that has run there. I'm predicting Calvin in 2nd - they lost a lot But 4-5 years ago, they lost some talented national championship team members and came back to finish 2nd with a relatively new group. This year will be the same.

Anderson University 14th - Good freshmen who showed some stuff in Track. If they're training halfway decently over the summer, they can surprise.

Depauw 16th. Lose top 2 but not a bad group after that. Should be solid but nothing special.

It's still a 9 min race vs. a 25 min. race though. Some steeplers do well in cross, but so do some 1500 runners (Klei as one D3 example). It is mostly the 10k guys but even success in that does not guarantee you will be a good cross runner.

i don't think that anything guarantees you success in either. Matt Lacey is a very good track runner 14:19 and 30:0? and has not faired particularily well in CC. however his teammate Josh Kennedy was an AA last season in CC and I think that he might have just dipped under 15 for the 5k indoors. I think that a lot depends on how people are feeling that day. I don't think that you can say that just becasue somebody is good at something they will be good at something else or vice versa.

DRB wrote:

Name: wrote:

If you\'re going to piss and moan about what an advantage the WIAC and SUNY schools have (ppl seem to forget they\'re public too) then pack your bags, go there, stop bitching about it, and then watch as you magically evolve into a superior runner.

the majority of d3 schools are not public. i\'m curious as to why you said \"ppl seem to forget they\'re public too\"? public schools are usually mostly d2 with some d1.

I said that because everyone complains about the WIAC just because they\'re successful and public. Well SUNY schools are public too, but since they aren\'t as successful as the WIAC, ppl tend to conveniently forget about them.

I hate it when people shit on D3 simply because it isn't as quick as D1. Well there's a reason for it. The D1 guys are high school standouts who get money to run. The D3 standouts are those guys that were mediocre in high school and work their asses off because they love the sport. So what if they aren't as fast as D1 runners?

If Symonds has any pride he'll make up for his past poor XC seasons and start kicking some ass at the weak D-3 level. Bak and groose were XC All Americans so he needs to get it together. I'm tired of hearing about his punk under achieving ass. Put up or shut up sonny boy.

As mother always said, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.

Yes, Yuot WOULD be d1 all-american considering he was something around 22nd in D3 last year. Makes perfect sense. Top 25 in d3 translates into top 35 in d1. That is a very unfounded and ridiculous opinion. Moen from last year most likely would have. Yuot, nope because he barely managed d3 AA status.

Groose was never a CC all american, best finish was about 40th in St. Olaf

Anyone with half a brain knows Yuot would\'ve won that race had he not been injured. I guess you never looked at the Paul Short results did you? Idiot.

hey kids why don't you go play on this thread for a while and let the rest of us talk about the actual race...

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=984788&thread=984742

Anyone with half a brain? Really, Moen still would have rolled Yuot. Moen owned him on the track TWICE last spring. Moen ran 24:10 solo his jr. year so Yuot's 24:00 coming in 4th, isn't nearly as impressive. Moen was and is a better runner than Yuot. 5 titles vs. 1. Moen has beat him heads up 6 times to Yuot's 1. Of course every single Yuot fan has an excuse every time. 2003 xc nationals Yuot didn't know someone was in front of him or he's been injured the other 5 times. And coincidentally the only time he wasn't injured was 5k indoors this year. Although, then again, Im sure he probably was. If he was healhty he would have run 13:40, because he's just that good. Yuot is a great runner, but there are some idiot fans of his that don't know where reality stops and fantasy begings.

Remember that Yuot still has 1.5 years left to prove himself. It sounds like Yuot has had some terrible luck heading into his meetings with Moen, so I think the 5 titles vs. 1 may not actually be representative of how close this rivalry is. However, Yuot has already run much faster in both the 5 and 10 and can still win two cross titles, just like Moen did. I think it would be wise to hold your judgement of each runner's place in D3 history until both have finished their careers.

That is why the races are run. In my opinion, for whatever it's worth, Yout is a more talented runner on the whole than Moen. However, Yout hasn't been able to win the big races. Sure, he runs great times in the middle of the season, at Lehigh in XC and at Stanford in outdoors, but couldn't do it when a championship was on the line. Moen has proven to be at his best when it counts the most. It's not always the runners fault remember. Their coaches have gotten them ready to race and it's quite obvious that Moen's coach has done a better job of keeping him healthy and ready to win.