Interesting article
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/sports/russia-doping.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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also an interesting article. Pay close attention to this tidbit:
"Here’s why: The others engaged in state-sponsored doping, which is certainly effective but easier to crack. You catch one athlete, or the head of the anti-doping lab spills the beans to the New York Times, and the whole operation is exposed.
The United States has countless underground gurus juicing athletes, all wondering what the other is doing and ramping up their drug regimens accordingly so their clients can prevail in a chemistry-tinged sports culture. You bust an anti-aging center in Florida and you nab a dozen baseball players, but you don’t get the hundreds of others who, it should be noted, learn from the mistakes of the less fortunate and improve their stealth methods even more."
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sdut-zeigler-doj-russia-doping-probe-hypocrisy-2016may19-story.html -
I'll bet Ukraine actually did the covering up.
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Another one.. wrote:
also an interesting article. Pay close attention to this tidbit:
"Here’s why: The others engaged in state-sponsored doping, which is certainly effective but easier to crack. You catch one athlete, or the head of the anti-doping lab spills the beans to the New York Times, and the whole operation is exposed
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sdut-zeigler-doj-russia-doping-probe-hypocrisy-2016may19-story.html
This article is a joke lol. USADA does everything it can to catch dopers within its jurisdiction. It won't catch everyone because a lack of resources as well as limits of testing. But it's trying to catch dopers. USADA Has banned some of it's best athletes sne coaches.
RUSADA on the other hand was actively assisting its athletes in doping and covering it up. What a joke of an article. -
runnER/DR wrote:
Another one.. wrote:
also an interesting article. Pay close attention to this tidbit:
"Here’s why: The others engaged in state-sponsored doping, which is certainly effective but easier to crack. You catch one athlete, or the head of the anti-doping lab spills the beans to the New York Times, and the whole operation is exposed
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sdut-zeigler-doj-russia-doping-probe-hypocrisy-2016may19-story.html
This article is a joke lol. USADA does everything it can to catch dopers within its jurisdiction. It won't catch everyone because a lack of resources as well as limits of testing. But it's trying to catch dopers. USADA Has banned some of it's best athletes sne coaches.
RUSADA on the other hand was actively assisting its athletes in doping and covering it up. What a joke of an article.
USADA is not as bad as RUSADA, but it still has its issues. We have athletes being cleared on a loophole (Coleman), and being allowed to compete with lame excuses for failed tests, such as tainted beef (Wilson, Claye), and kissing (Roberts). -
How is State sponsored doping in Russia worse than Entrepreneurial doping in the US?
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Cold War Politics is bad Mkay? wrote:
How is State sponsored doping in Russia worse than Entrepreneurial doping in the US?
Is this really a question? Forgetting the shear scale of it. It is the equivalent of asking how is police selling illegal drugs worse than gangs selling drugs. -
respect my authoritaaaaaa wrote:
Cold War Politics is bad Mkay? wrote:
How is State sponsored doping in Russia worse than Entrepreneurial doping in the US?
Is this really a question? Forgetting the shear scale of it. It is the equivalent of asking how is police selling illegal drugs worse than gangs selling drugs.
It's a rhetorical question. Dey both bayaad. -
Ah, Russia.
Instead of going after Kenya and Ethiopia, or Jamaica and the USA, let’s go after Russia.
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Another one.. wrote:
also an interesting article. Pay close attention to this tidbit:
"Here’s why: The others engaged in state-sponsored doping, which is certainly effective but easier to crack. You catch one athlete, or the head of the anti-doping lab spills the beans to the New York Times, and the whole operation is exposed.
The United States has countless underground gurus juicing athletes, all wondering what the other is doing and ramping up their drug regimens accordingly so their clients can prevail in a chemistry-tinged sports culture. You bust an anti-aging center in Florida and you nab a dozen baseball players, but you don’t get the hundreds of others who, it should be noted, learn from the mistakes of the less fortunate and improve their stealth methods even more."
So we should not make a big deal about the Russian doping we know about because of an authors assumed existence of a massive underground doping cell program in the US. Btw there are these cells but not everyone is participating. And USADA is not sabotaging drug tests.
I don't think Russia has taken any steps to correct the issue and has offered ridiculous levels of denial and blame-shifting. -
Cold War Politics is bad Mkay? wrote:
How is State sponsored doping in Russia worse than Entrepreneurial doping in the US?
Well, it's not but it is easier to take down as described in the article. Also apparently very useful by US/UK to point fingers at Russia and remove an entire huge country from competition.
Private doping of the US-type is much harder to investigate and get under control. You have the helpful benefit of not being centralized. You can invest a lot of time and effort to bust and bring down a private doping ring or two, but there would still be dozens doping unaffected. -
It's awful how we treat Russia. They've done so much for conservatives and Trump and the GOP.
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Evan Gelical wrote:
It's awful how we treat Russia. They've done so much for conservatives and Trump and the GOP.
Brain-dead-CNN-watcher alert! -
Leftistssuk wrote:
Evan Gelical wrote:
It's awful how we treat Russia. They've done so much for conservatives and Trump and the GOP.
Brain-dead-CNN-watcher alert!
Just because he's brain dead and watches CNN doesn't mean that he's wrong! -
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Another one.. wrote:
also an interesting article. Pay close attention to this tidbit:
"Here’s why: The others engaged in state-sponsored doping, which is certainly effective but easier to crack. You catch one athlete, or the head of the anti-doping lab spills the beans to the New York Times, and the whole operation is exposed.
The United States has countless underground gurus juicing athletes, all wondering what the other is doing and ramping up their drug regimens accordingly so their clients can prevail in a chemistry-tinged sports culture. You bust an anti-aging center in Florida and you nab a dozen baseball players, but you don’t get the hundreds of others who, it should be noted, learn from the mistakes of the less fortunate and improve their stealth methods even more."
So we should not make a big deal about the Russian doping we know about because of an authors assumed existence of a massive underground doping cell program in the US. Btw there are these cells but not everyone is participating. And USADA is not sabotaging drug tests.
I don't think Russia has taken any steps to correct the issue and has offered ridiculous levels of denial and blame-shifting.
You don’t think. Right. That's a valid argument. What else don’t you think of? Or, better put, to what extent do you fail to think at all?
Doping is widespread across the globe. It takes different forms in terms of distribution, but the reason for Doping is the same. Mostly underpriveleged people try to use athletics as social elevator and they attempt it at all costs. Take this motive away and the sport heals by default. There are several ways to do it, and we need to concetrate our effort working on them instead of stupidly trying to police the sport. We are fighting the consequnces instead of the problem sources.
And it happens because we have too many individuals who don’t think. Just like yourself.
