Unnamed NOP pro on Mary Cain- “she’s such a wuss.”

Snowflakes falling wrote:

I was 17 when I uprooted my life and went to college across the country. Nobody accompanied me there, nobody was looking out for me anywhere near as much as people were looking out for Mary.

I agree, if Mary was mutilating herself and there were evident scars, they should have checked her into the college mental clinic ASAP.

You were in an environment tailored for your exact peer set and with requisite safeguards. If you moved across country to work in a factory at that same age, your perspective might be relevant, twinkie.

Just' Sayin' wrote:

Naps are important.

Especially when one believes they are the Lionness

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

Listen listen wrote:

Face Farter wrote:

A teammate very easily could have told Mary what Shannon texted. It was very normal to talk to people and say "omg i texted so and so this, "blah blah blah' "

Especially when they're complaining about someone.

Mary said in the podcast that she saw the teammate sending the text while driving back from a long run. Totally plausible. Teammate in front seat with Mary behind etc

So according to Mary's account of events while she is having a panic attack/breakdown she is snooping on a person private text to their spouse. Sounds like a pretty severe panic attack. This incident screams immaturity.

Unless this person had the intent to share this text with Mary or someone other than her spouse and it got back to Mary, I'm assuming her spouse didn't share it with Mary, reading a persons private communication is very classless. But what's even more classless is sharing the private information you snooped on with the rest of the world.

I'm sure Mary had some real issues and Al Sal was likely the cause or helped amplify these issues. But it also seems that she was not ready for a professional environment from maturity or emotional standpoint.

Wasn't she also enrolled in college with a system tailored for her age group? No difference twinkie.

clean sport is a good idea wrote:

I heard from somebody who traveled with Rowbury that she has a half page long list of TUE s.

Here you go:

Diuretics, Asthma medication, etc. all technically legal, but pretty much in line with Cain's claims. The Salazar way. The problem with Salazar is he occasionally stepped over the line and as a result has gotten punished for it. Taking 30 different pills / supplements, one has to be concerned with the bio-chemistry cocktail she is ingesting and the impact all of these substances might have on the kidneys.

Thanks for the link

There are no TUEs noted in the list - mostly everyday items like Tea, vitamins, anti inflammatories, epsom salt bath...

Not sure why athletes are even required to list all of these items as part of their drug tests?

fortherecord wrote:

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

Disagree. She could have just referred to the other person as the teammate's "husband" given that the two are married now, even if they weren't married at that exact moment the text was sent.

reer wrote:

fortherecord wrote:

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

Disagree. She could have just referred to the other person as the teammate's "husband" given that the two are married now, even if they weren't married at that exact moment the text was sent.

True. Or she could have made the entire thing up, which given all that has occurred, seems the most plausible scenario.

fortherecord wrote:

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

Correct. This was Treniere "I pulled my hammy" Moser. Please notice how she just disappeared. An aggressive journalist pulling on that string will find some very interesting items, as would taking a trip to Ethiopia and interviewing some of those that spent so much time around Mo Farah for weeks on end. Quite a few interesting rumors spawned from those training camps.

Listen it’s fine that Shannon didn’t want to babysit, not her responsibility.

HOWEVER- she doesn’t get to go on Instagram and pretend she was doing all kinds of things behind the scenes and supporting women now that she’s getting called out. That’s the problem.

You're an idiot, sweetheart. Clueless AF.

^^^^This.

1) Salazar deserves plenty of blame but let's be honest

2) So does Cain/her parents. No one talks about how Cain washed out of two HS programs before the NOP. First she was training with the girls team at Bronxville. That wasn't working out even though the coach there is a legend. Then switched the to the boys team. That didn't work out so she switched to Alberto . That's three different teams that didn't work out.

Any chance she had eating issues before the NOP that Salazar just threw gasoline on? It's not like the idea of "getting thin" is one that Salazar invented. Plenty of women at the NCAA level with women's coaches have eating disorders.

fortherecord wrote:

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

So Kara was texting .

reer wrote:

fortherecord wrote:

Shannon Rowbury wasn’t married till way after this happened and Cain left. Definitely wasn’t her... just saying...

Disagree. She could have just referred to the other person as the teammate's "husband" given that the two are married now, even if they weren't married at that exact moment the text was sent.

And by Husband , she meant Uncle , and the text was actually a telegram . And it wasn't at the track, but a public swimming pool.

No, Kara was gone by then.

I have thoughts about the whole interview.

Firstly I’m sad for Mary. She was so young and naive. She also seemed really lonely. She was kind of a nerd in a high school full of children of New York elite, and may not have had a ton of friends at that point. She thought her team members were her friends and only realized later that was not the case. I think she wanted to be a great runner. But more than anything I think she wanted to feel like she belonged somewhere. And Alberto took advantage of that.

As for Shannon, well the one thing I have to say is that this story may have been a bit unfair to share as she didn’t realize that someone was reading her private text. We shouldn’t judge her for that.

We should judge her on the “I wrote a masters thesis” post in response to all of what Mary endured, her constant defending her choices, and her dismay at why anyone would dare question her character when she remained with a dirty coach four years after credible allegations.

Dnns wrote:

She thought her team members were her friends and only realized later that was not the case.

"If you need a friend, get a dog. It's trench warfare out there, pal."

ventolin ^4 wrote:

it's clear from videos in 2014 that mary's "teammates" weren't too pleased to be sharing the track with a teen. as someone else pointed, in that "best race/workout combo of your life" video, jordan is very clearly pissed about losing to mary and scowls for most of the workout. it's not surprising to me that some of her teammates probably relished a bit once she started to fail and were unsympathetic to her struggles.

Your last sentence might be true, but I just rewatched the best race/workout combo video, and you're imagining things with your conclusions. Jordan is clearly pissed, but it's at herself for going out hard and blowing up at the end. Plus, perhaps more so, she just seems dead tired so isn't all giggly and happy. At the end of the workout she pats Cain on the head to say good job on the workout -- not the actions of someone pissed at Cain.

Tommy Ferrari wrote:

Dnns wrote:

She thought her team members were her friends and only realized later that was not the case.

"If you need a friend, get a dog. It's trench warfare out there, pal."

- Truth!

- Coach Sal even includes "friends" in the contract.