Sifan Hassan praises Salazar after Valencia - Jos Hermens says she'll stay in Portland.

Nice incoherent rant. If you don't have any counterarguments then don't post.

All this talk of Hassan’s intelligence, plus the fact she is staying in Portland, makes me think she needs a philosopher coach, a scholar of our times, a visionary... The man, the myth, Jonathan Marcus himself.

the accent doesn't matter wrote:

Nice incoherent rant. If you don't have any counterarguments then don't post.

He/she was pointing out the incoherence of your arguments. You are really full of it. And you are dull.

You are an idiot. Deutsch ist meine Muttersprache and I have presented and published in English, so I am fluent in these two languages. You are also ignorant about Latin (which is much harder than reciting the creed or learning single words like gluteus maximus by heart) and it is completely moot if two years of HS French are sufficient for basic as I never denied that or claimed that I was any better.

I am also not hating Hassan, but I am quite fond of her and if you look at this board you will see that I have very recently defended her progress as plausible without needing doping allegations. Nevertheless, I have the impression that she is not very bright (both from interviews as well as her rather hapless or helpless reaction in the Salazar affair).

And neither are you because you are still missing the point: Even a very intelligent athlete usually needs a coach. The German Richard Ringer (Euro Bronze in 5k a few years ago, 13:10 PB) is fairly intelligent (economy or business degree) and he has been failing at self coaching in the last year or two. I have not looked into this but self-coached world class or even European top athletes are very rare. Neither Hassan nor Hasay nor Koko nor Brazier could successfully coach themselves. In the best case they would only be a little worse but even this might be enough to drop from world class level.

LetsRun.com wrote:

“He is the best coach there is, he does the best for his athletes,” she told Dutch broadcaster NOS after finishing second in Sunday’s Valencia half marathon in Spain.

She should be ashamed to talk about a banned drug cheat coach like that. That she isn't, speaks volumes.

She is the world's best runner. She only needs a coach who doesn't mess up what Salazar has built.

For sure this place used to be better when hobby joggers like you knew to ST FU and not say stupid sht like this.

Enjoy your lunch hour trot at 10min/mi pace bud.

Truly, you're wasting your time with this poster. I don't know if she is simple, or just unaccustomed to the West; but some of my personal interactions with her have been nothing short of bizarre. She's extremely difficult to deal with, constantly late, and has strange blow ups of emotion. Very strange affect. The only person liked less in association with NOP was Farah's wife.

Taro wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So elite athletes need coaches like Salazar and Hermens to explain to them the principles of interval training? Either they are not very bright or it isn't about interval training.

You've apparently never had a good coach.

Or perhaps you're not too bright.

the accent doesn't matter wrote:

Taro wrote:

But you don't speak Dutch, her native language, so how can you even begin to speculate about her intelligence?

You, for one, should know that you come across differently when you communicate in a non-native language. You don't appear especially bright when you write in English.

Your groundless assumptions about other people's intelligence does come across as quite German, though.

Dutch is not her native language and you're wrong, it is possible for people to come across as intelligent in their non-native language.

How did she end up running for The Netherlands anyway? A lot of Ethiopians run for countries like Bahrain, Qatar, Turkey and a few over the years for Spain.

Are you Multilingual? wrote:

Dutchie wrote:

Which languages are you talking about?

Her Dutch is so bad that they still subtitle her, even when she has been living here in the Netherlands for many years as a "refugee".

Her English is pretty bad as well.

And when you are able to understand what she says, she doesn't give a particular bright impression, to say the least.

She is also a Salafi Muslim, but that's another can of worms.

She speaks Amharic as that is her native language you moron.

She speaks Dutch fluently but with an Ethipoian accent.

She speaks English fluently, but with an Ethiopian and Dutch accent.

At least you showed your real issue and that is her religion. You ethnocentric, racists a$$hats can't seem to get beyond the Muslim thing.

I don't think you speak Dutch, so how do you even know her Dutch is fluent?

Dutch is my mother tongue and I can tell you that her Dutch is of a very low level, the national broadcaster still has to subtitle her after so many years living here as a "refugee". It's pretty disrespectful actually that she didn't really bother to learn Dutch.

Proof:

And yes, she is a Salafi Muslim. In this article she makes some extremist declarations, like saying that you aren't a good woman if you don't wear a hijab, that women should cover up etc.

Because you speak Dutch fluently, you won't have any issues understanding the article. Proof:

She spoke fine Dutch in that interview. The sub-titles are probably there for people who want to translate it to other languages. I see this in a lot of foreign interviews.

Trying to hold on to 3 languages is pretty hard, some people do a better job at it than others, but I think knowing 3 languages even if you're not super fluent in all of them is remarkable. If you can't do that it has nothing to do with intelligence. There's tons of Americans who have no idea how to speak Spanish even after 2-4 years of it in school.

On to the thread title however, I imagine it will be someone from a Nike group and not a private coach who's allowed to coach multiple sponsors. I could see Nike basically forcing Jerry to coacher her even though he doesn't want to, and I doubt it would flow over well with Shalane being her coach. There's no one for her to train with at OTC really, but she really did a lot of work individually as stated in a few interviews.

I have a hard time believing many of Alberto's athletes won't just go to Pete. Even Rupp gave praise to Julian in a interview recently. The only 2 I could see are maybe Hasay wherever she goes and Murphy joining BTC with the later more considering Centro is there.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

Trying to hold on to 3 languages is pretty hard, some people do a better job at it than others, but I think knowing 3 languages even if you're not super fluent in all of them is remarkable.

Outside of the English-speaking world, it's not remarkable at all. Bilingual people and even polyglots are a dime a dozen in the world. It's hardly even an indicator of good education.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

On to the thread title however, I imagine it will be someone from a Nike group and not a private coach who's allowed to coach multiple sponsors. I could see Nike basically forcing Jerry to coacher her even though he doesn't want to, and I doubt it would flow over well with Shalane being her coach. There's no one for her to train with at OTC really, but she really did a lot of work individually as stated in a few interviews.

I have a hard time believing many of Alberto's athletes won't just go to Pete. Even Rupp gave praise to Julian in a interview recently. The only 2 I could see are maybe Hasay wherever she goes and Murphy joining BTC with the later more considering Centro is there.

Murphy returning to Ohio with his tail between his legs.

DisagreeThere wrote:

ncrecuvuer wrote:

Trying to hold on to 3 languages is pretty hard, some people do a better job at it than others, but I think knowing 3 languages even if you're not super fluent in all of them is remarkable.

Outside of the English-speaking world, it's not remarkable at all. Bilingual people and even polyglots are a dime a dozen in the world. It's hardly even an indicator of good education.

This is correct. Out of necessity, many of us have to learn 3 or even 4 languages to work/exist in Europe. My mother is Swiss, and my father Italian. I grew up in France, near the border of Spain. My wife is Portuguese. I speak German (high and low), Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese. English was my last language to learn at age 30, and is still somewhat poor. I would not consider myself particularly bright or clever. As a side note, I think the ability to understand Hassan's Dutch is a poor litmus test for intelligence. ALL Dutch should have subtitles! It's barely intelligible to begin with, and sounds as if the speaker is clearing their throat 50% of the time.

Your analysis is spot on.

Sifan comes from a Salafist family. Her mother is not proud of her, because if she runs she is not a good Muslim.

Hermens said on Dutch TV that Alberto was like a father figure to her.

So she is again losing a parent after 8 years. Cut her some slack, folks.

Her Dutch got worse after she moved to Portland.

Thanks for sharing the article. We can read she ran 3:56 [the race where she crashed and burned when Dibaba ran 3:50, even pacing would have resulted in 3:54) off of one training per day only

For sure, from an American perspective, I don't think we can attack someone's intelligence by a standard that most American's can't even nearly reach (as you sort of stated). The average American-born doesn't even reach 2.0 on average of fluent languages including English. I'm not saying Hassan is a genius at physics, but I don't think she's any more or less intelligent than any professional runner coming off a relatively easy bachelors degree.