Texas XC

the truth hurtzzzzz wrote:

TexasRunnerFan wrote:

https://starlocalmedia.com/allenamerican/sports/lovejoy-freshman-stuns-culbreath-for---a-xc-title/article_ff26bc38-ef7d-11e9-a0c9-1f0b61893136.html

I do see a little tape above the ankle.

That article is incorrect. She didn't even make top 5 at McNeil? It's not the first time she's lost this season.

Hell, Brynn completely destroyed her (and every other girl) all season long. Brynn was without a doubt, the greatest TX female runner in the history of high school running had she not been injured and missed state. Such a shame.

It said it was her first time to lose in a POST SEASON race. I assume they mean in district, regional, or state meet.

the truth hurtzzzzz wrote:

TexasRunnerFan wrote:

https://starlocalmedia.com/allenamerican/sports/lovejoy-freshman-stuns-culbreath-for---a-xc-title/article_ff26bc38-ef7d-11e9-a0c9-1f0b61893136.html

I do see a little tape above the ankle.

That article is incorrect. She didn't even make top 5 at McNeil? It's not the first time she's lost this season.

Hell, Brynn completely destroyed her (and every other girl) all season long. Brynn was without a doubt, the greatest TX female runner in the history of high school running had she not been injured and missed state. Such a shame.

Not really if you look at what London culbreath did her first three years she's pretty much the best female runner ever in Texas

She's won nine straight state championships and has also one every Nike and Foot Locker south regional she has entered

She won the Nike south regional her freshman sophomore and Junior years and the Foot Locker Regional her junior year

She also has a 4:43 Mile and is twice run around 10 minutes in 2 miles

She has the record 1636 at McNeil and has a lot of other fast cross-country times and speed ratings above 150

Brown is an awesome Runner and she is definitely an elite National Runner which is amazing

And she was also definitely running faster than one didn't last spring in track

But I'm just saying if you compare their freshman and sophomore years culbreath was definitely more consistent

She was 12th at Nike as a freshman I'm pretty sure Brown didn't even make Nike as a freshman

She was also state champion across the board as a freshman pretty sure Brown wasn't

She also beat Brown at both South regionals last year

And has faster track times at the 800 and the mile freshman and sophomore year

Again they're both amazing Runners let's wish them both the best. Obviously all Runners have their ups and downs and it sucks that they've both been dealing with some injuries

Hopefully they'll both get healthy and we'll see some amazing races. But just to be fair what London accomplished is amazing and from what I can tell no other girl has dominated freshman sophomore and Junior years in Texas and the south regionals like she did

Brown might continue to improve and show faster times but if you compare them year by year what London did was unprecedented winning almost every race she was in over a three-year stretch

Klein boys team looks solid too. They returned all of their top 4 from last year, and their 4-5 gap has been closed pretty well. They just beat College Park recently. College Park is currently ranked #5 in the South region on Dyestat. I’d put Southlake Carroll ahead of Wylie

the truth hurtzzzzz wrote:

TexasRunnerFan wrote:

https://starlocalmedia.com/allenamerican/sports/lovejoy-freshman-stuns-culbreath-for---a-xc-title/article_ff26bc38-ef7d-11e9-a0c9-1f0b61893136.html

I do see a little tape above the ankle.

That article is incorrect. She didn't even make top 5 at McNeil? It's not the first time she's lost this season.

Hell, Brynn completely destroyed her (and every other girl) all season long. Brynn was without a doubt, the greatest TX female runner in the history of high school running had she not been injured and missed state. Such a shame.

Brown had a nice track season last year but cross country has been:

Freshman: injured

Soph: 2nd in 6A

Jr: injured

As they say, 'you can't make the club in the tub'.

As a whole, the girls side last year was very tough at the top end. All the

NXN qualifiers (although that is typical) and most of the footlocker were

TX.

This year with graduation and injury it is much weaker. At least Gracie Morris seems

back.

I think that if flower mound and the woodlands are up by themselves, however maybe not as big of a gap as in previous years between the top teams to 3-7. While those good teams below them are going to battle it out for the last podium spot. I have some opinions on all the teams.

Klein - 15:53 team average

Have only lost to The Woodlands at district this season, they have also beaten College Park twice this season. Gustavo Posada ran a 15:28 at district and appears to be peaking at the right time. However, Christopher Daniels has only run 15:50 this season, if he can get back to the 15:21 shape he was in last year then Klein can be serious competitors.

Southlake Carroll - 15:27 team average (converted times due to short district course)

Southlake looks extremely strong this season, however the only true 5k they have run, most were much slower than the team average. They have only lost to Flower Mound this year. The wild card for Southlake will be their #1 runner Nate Lannen and if he can place as high as he should in the race.

Wylie - 15:49 team average

Wylie the last few years has raced poorly in the early season, last year they placed fourth in 6A but 8th at Marcus and 5th at Mcneil. Something about the post season seems to get them rolling, this season they have lost to FM, Southlake, Coppell, Round Rock, Marcus and Katy Seven Lakes. However at Mcneil they did beat Round Rock and have seemed to slowly round into shape. At district Luke Lambert ran a 15:17, Dylan Pitts ran a 15:32 and Shimeles Abdellatif ran a 15:37. Wylie's problem is their 4 and 5 runners who are 16:14 and 16:26 which can seriously be a problem for them at the state meet

College Park - 15:53 team average (changed due to CP Invite being a road race)

Have lost to Klein and The Woodlands every time they have met this season. CP needs their 3-5 runners to step up on race day in order to have a chance to make the podium at state. They are a good sleeper team to choose if you want the long odds for the podium. Their 1 & 2 are serious top 15 competitors in the state.

the 6a race is going to be crazy, I do kind of like Wylie as a sleeper, it seems they have the best 1-2-3 combo in the state at the moment but their 4-5 need to step up in order for them to be a true contender.

Last years McNeil Invitational was fast---- until you look at the following facts:

6 guys ran faster times than this years winning time of 15:07 (Jarett Kirk). 3 ran sub 15:00.

16 girls broke 18:00 last year. This year... only THREE broke that barrier.

Even more impressive, Brown won the race by 48 seconds. Culbreath won her race by 15 seconds.

Brown's race this year was slower, I'm not sure if there was a difference in course or worse weather, but times ALL ACROSS the board were slower. No chance Kirk had an "off race".

There is no doubt in my mind Brown has been running by far, the most impressive XC races I have ever seen a female TX runner in Texas history. When I said Brynn Brown was the greatest female XC runner in Texas history, I more so meant, based off all of her races this year, that if she were to race at her best (prior to the injury this year) against any other Texas XC runner, I would have believed none of them would be favored to beat her. No, she's not the most accomplished, but I'm pretty damn certain she has the state 2-mile record (technically 3200 as well). Culbreath ran a great mile record, but I know for a fact Chelsey Sveinsson and Julia Heymach have ran sub 4:43 for the mile and so she doesn't have the state record.

And anyways, running a fast mile, 1600, or 800 doesn't indicate anything about cross country. Which was what I was talking about. A two-mile is more in line. What did Brown run last season? 9:57 for 2-miles.

How hard has she been dominating this season of XC prior to her injury? Victory margins of 45+ seconds upwards to even a minute.

And this is against girls that have run 10:30 and faster for 3200m.

Imagine beating girls that ran a 10:24 & 10:30 in the previous season by 48-49 seconds in one race.

Then in other races, beating those same girls by even upwards to 1:00.

Show me a time London was putting that kind of dominance in XC races, even at her best. Because while she is very accomplished and definitely a great athlete--- she has never done something as dominate like that.

McNeil was approximately 300m long in the 3200 this year according to gps watches. I'm sort of wondering if the 5k was off as well but I haven't talked to anyone that has any GPS data to confirm. Plus it's been warmer all across the state this xc season. It's been at least 10 degrees warmer every single race our team has attended.

I agree with you that Brynn Brown has run the best of any Texas cross-country distance Runner when she has been at her very best

But usually when you say someone's the best ever you look at their whole career not just their Peak performances

I hope Brown makes a full recovery and runs better than ever. She's an awesome athlete and has a lot of talent

But again usually when you make the claim someone is the best ever you have to look for consistency

And in terms of consistency London culbreath has had an awesome career

I hope London also can come back to full strength and have a strong year. As she has also been dealing with injuries

But while Brown is slightly faster it's only by a few seconds

Brown hit a 157 speed rating in her best performance

Culbreath hit around 155 on several occasions and she's done that over a three-year stretch. And she did beat Brown in both south regionals the last two years

But again I grant you that if you look at Spring Track through the beginning of this cross-country season Brown was running the fastest distance times ever in Texas girls distance running

I guess it's all how you interpret something. When you say brown is the greatest High School distance runner in Texas history. Again I think it's just natural that to really make that claim valid you have to have some consistency and not just some awesome Peak performances

But again Brown's an awesome young Runner and I hope she does come back better than ever and continue to get faster and show that you're right

TexasRunnerFan wrote:

McNeil was approximately 300m long in the 3200 this year according to gps watches. I'm sort of wondering if the 5k was off as well but I haven't talked to anyone that has any GPS data to confirm. Plus it's been warmer all across the state this xc season. It's been at least 10 degrees warmer every single race our team has attended.

I have heard it was 3.23, I have heard it was 3.18. I measured it online and it said it was 3.17 - I will measure it at state. It was definitely long

Do you think it'll still be long at state when UIL sets the course? I figured they'd get it right for that meet.

This is what happened. The McNeil has always been thought of to be a super fast meet and many people take advantage of that and bring there teams here for the quick meet. They wanted to end that stigma this year so they made the races long. Many runners still ran well, but not as fast as we could have expected. Say McNeil was a true 5K, Kirk would have gone sub 15 in 85 degree weather. Props are in order. It was a very good race. I would hope they shave some off at state for the kids’ sake.

I ran at McNeil this year and it was somewhere in the range of 3.15-3.18, because they added a little bit before you cross the bridge and moved all the markers back slightly.

milesplit is reporting Heidi Nielson out for the season.