Most unbreakablerecord: Bekele 10 000m, Bolt's 100m or El Guerrouj 1500m

zaphod wrote:

Komen's 3k

Dead on... I can still hear Cram commenting on the insanity of it !

Rule brittania wrote:

Paula poster wrote:

Paula's 2hr 15m 25s

Yup

Disagree. While juice and just plain desire go a long way, I don’t think there is any reasonable argument to be made that she was the best raw material, with that bobblehead form.

Just as the men’s record has gone, so will the women’s—it will just take the right person, on the same program as Bekele—on a perfect day, of course.

I hope it happens soon—the sooner Radcliffe is made irrelevant, the better, just like when WVN finally threw Ackbar into the dustbin.

DC Wonk wrote:

Bekele’s 10k record is the one performance that for me still makes me question if that was PED aided. The time is a big outlier, and it was done during loose testing period.

I want to believe Bekele did the 10k record and his Berlin race clean, but suspicions linger.

I have no idea if Bekele was clean or not, but seriously, 26:17 isn't that strong for the best long-distance runner the world has ever seen. Guys like Nicholas Kemboi, Abebe Dinkesa, Micah Kogo or Paul Koech ran 26:3x in fast races and they were - considering their overall success and also 5000m PB's (12:55-13:00) - much weaker athletes than Bekele. I tend to agree with Renato Canova that prime Bekele in the right circumstances maybe with some more pace help (as far as I remember his brother paced him until the 5000m mark when he ran 26:17) could have gone much faster.

I thought Amos duplicated his 1:41.73 fairly recently

I have seen people saying that looking at his 5 000 record, he could have done a better 10 000m, but that's overlooking I think the fact that the last 5 000 can be very taxing when the first is run fast. During his world record he was slowing down between the 7000 and 9000, showing that even in top shape it's hard keep up that pace for so long.

Guys like Cheptegei, Kamworor( Half world record shape), have the talent to go near Bekele 10000 WR. But of course would need a race with pacer , and since the 10000 is rarely done except for the championships or Olympic games it will be hard. The Ayana Rio WR was an amazing race but she had a special "pacer" like Alice Aprot that since she had no end kick she tried to run as fast as she could from the start.

Probably a 3000 at 3'24/km in 7'20" like Daniel Komen did in Rieti is one of the hardest.

Ops! 2'24/km I mean.

The 10,000, 5,000, and 1,500 seem like long shots to be broken.

Kiprop got close to the 1,500 and turns out he got busted for EPO after.

The 5,000 and 10,000 are just way out there. If guys run 12:45 we consider that a once in a generation time now. And the 10,000, 26:50 gets you #1 distance runner by a wide margin. All the 10,000 guys skip up to the marathon to make more money. 20 years from the now the 10,000 might be like the 3,000 today. A race nobody runs and it has a crazy record.

Hard to say between 10k and 100, but El G's 1500m is clearly the weakest of the 3, with both Lagat and Kiprop as close as they were. I expect that will be the first of the 3 to go.

Interestingly, Bekele's Marathon PR is worth 1315 pts in the IAAF system, compared to just 1296 and 1295 for his 10k and 5k records.

The calculator (

https://caltaf.com/pointscalc/calc.html

) gives 1303 for Komen's 3000 WR.

Last year when 18 year-old Selemon Barega ran 12:43.02 in Belgium (with Gebrhiwet and Kejelcha hot on his tail), it looked promising that the record could go down in the next few years. The Diamond League cutting out 5000 and 10,000 is bad, but it could open up the opportunity to stage some record attempts. Let the guys sharpen up with a couple 1500 and 3000 races in DL events, then stage a few races with good chances for agreeable weather conditions, and make it worth it for the top contenders to show up. All the major sponsors should be able to offer enough prize money to make a record enticing.

After the Olympics it would be cool to see such an event at the new Hayward Field track...

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Last year when 18 year-old Selemon Barega ran 12:43.02 in Belgium (with Gebrhiwet and Kejelcha hot on his tail), it looked promising that the record could go down in the next few years. The Diamond League cutting out 5000 and 10,000 is bad, but it could open up the opportunity to stage some record attempts. Let the guys sharpen up with a couple 1500 and 3000 races in DL events, then stage a few races with good chances for agreeable weather conditions, and make it worth it for the top contenders to show up. All the major sponsors should be able to offer enough prize money to make a record enticing.

After the Olympics it would be cool to see such an event at the new Hayward Field track...

I disagree with DL cutting out 5000 and 10000 leads to better record attempts for 5000 and 10000 in special races. One reason Bekele was able to get that fast is that he consistently raced the distance at high levels and shaved off few seconds time after time until he got to 12:37. It was a slow progression over many very hard races.

If people only race the 1500 and 3000, they can't just jump into a 5000 and expect to suddenly hammer down a WR, even in good conditions on a fast track. They are not used anymore to racing this distance, and miss out on the best, most effective training for fast 5000 or 10000 times - other extremely fast 5000 or 10000 races.

Coe literally killed T&F with his decisions, just hope that the next leadership has more sense.

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Interestingly, Bekele's Marathon PR is worth 1315 pts in the IAAF system, compared to just 1296 and 1295 for his 10k and 5k records.

Marathon is a different beast that is seeing steady progress these recent years. I don' t think that the calculators are right for this event.

Nobody can decently think that Bekele is stronger now than he was at the age of 22-24 when he set these records. He coudl have seriously put a beating in Marathon in his former shape.

The 100m is the most unbeatable. Top level sprinters doped to the gills can't even get close

Well yeah, the ideal situation would be to not stop having DL distance races. Hopefully they can be pressured to reverse it by 2021. In the meantime, I hope that other races step up to fill the gap, be they WR attempts or not, so that all the top talent don't simply switch to road races.

EssorLinki wrote:

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Interestingly, Bekele's Marathon PR is worth 1315 pts in the IAAF system, compared to just 1296 and 1295 for his 10k and 5k records.

Marathon is a different beast that is seeing steady progress these recent years. I don' t think that the calculators are right for this event.

Nobody can decently think that Bekele is stronger now than he was at the age of 22-24 when he set these records. He coudl have seriously put a beating in Marathon in his former shape.

Sprinter here who knows squat about distance—BUT Kim Collins PB’d at 40, and his basic PB also came late, I believe.

Hard to believe, but there it is. Could Bekele be faster in the marathon now than then? IDK

No competition wrote:

The 100m is the most unbeatable. Top level sprinters doped to the gills can't even get close

Incorrect.

Had Blake had a +2.0 instead of a -0.1 in Lausanne he would have gone 9.59

Powell would have gone 9.62 in his Lausanne 9.72

But for bad luck with wind, those are both very close to 9.58 (which had a +0.9 btw)

CC is already at 9.69 with perfect wind.

Komen's 3000m

El G is the weakest wrote:

Hard to say between 10k and 100, but El G's 1500m is clearly the weakest of the 3, with both Lagat and Kiprop as close as they were. I expect that will be the first of the 3 to go.

Yeah...right; Kiprop is a confirmed doper and he couldn't even beat the WR. Lol.