Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
Komen's 3k
zaphod wrote:
Komen's 3k
^^^This
Bekele record splits. Does anyone know what his 1500 meter splits were? I want to compare whem with Sifah Hassan's 3:52 10K closing split.
1000m 2:39.85 ---> 2:39.85
2000m 5:15.63 ---> 2:35.78
3000m 7:53.02 ---> 2:37.59
4000m 10:29.98 ---> 2:36.96
5000m 13:09.19 ---> 2:39.21
6000m 15:44.66 ---> 2:35.47
7000m 18:23.98 ---> 2:39.32
8000m 21:04.63 ---> 2:40.67
9000m 23:45.09 ---> 2:40.46
10000 26:17.53 ---> 2:32.44
4:14/mile is what 26:17 works out to.
Hassan last 1500 split was 3:59, not 3:52.
3:52 would probably be around Bekele split
I can't see anyone currently at the world-class level approaching 9.58 in the 100m. It is so far beyond what anyone else has ever done and Bolt was so unique, someone with similar ability will not come along again for a good while. It would be like someone other than Kipchoge/Bekele going out and running 1:59:39 in a real race. Coleman's PR is 9.76 and he is only 23 but is it realistic he will improve by another ~ 0.2 seconds? Maybe but I doubt it.
Kiprop only ran all out once a season and he got pretty near the 1500m record. Cheruiyot should get close if he can stay healthy and go all out for it.
The 10,000m is run all out for time less and less by the very top talents. Although obviously utterly brilliant, it's hard to say quite how good it is.
The 100m and the javelin are the men's world records that are the most freakish outliers.
10000 m is rarely run, so it will last longest.
EssorLinki wrote:
Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
The 100m will be the hardest because of the type of event it is. No pacing, all out speed and technique. You have to be the best to get this one.
All distance records are hard, but with the right pacing I think it is possible to see those records go down. What would the record be if Bekele had 26 flat pacing for 8 or 9k for instance? I believe he had to run the last 5k alone.
I recall that Komen did indeed have superb pacing for most of his 3000, so that one might be the hardest because he was the best or right there, had great pacing and had great weather.
A record that doesn't get enough respect is the 2k record by El G. It works out to 3:49 pace. Pretty hard to beat that one I'd think. The 3000m is 3:56 pace.
Seven years ago, it was forecasted on here that sub-1:40 800m would occur soon. I do not believe anyone has raced sub-1:42 800m since David Rudisha set world record, 800m over seven years ago. Women 800m runners in aggregate are no better than they were in 1976 (see 1976 Olympics women 800m semi-final results). On the surface it looks so obvious: Have a male 18 year old sub-45.5 400m athlete transition to hybrid 400/800 or 800m specialists; have a female 18 year old sub-52.5 400m athlete transition to hybrid 400/800 or 800m specialists. We seem to be near our human 800m limits. Lighter/faster shoes and tracks which return energy outdoors as do the indoor 200m tracks may aid records in men & women 800m and other events.
Bolt's record required A LOT of steroids. I think they show up somewhat easily in drug tests. If you're actually there to take your test, you might get caught. I think that makes Bolt's record the hardest.
The distance records required A LOT of EPO which is much easier to dilute/mask. I think those records are theoretically easier to break, but the fact that those guys took EPO when it was 100% undetectable makes it mush harder to get to those levels today.
All of this of course that the IAAF would actually ban someone when they KNOW they're on drugs. Recent history tells us otherwise. Known dopers win medals and set records and never get banned. Sometimes they do disappear for a while with a mystery injury, but even this is rare, and has no real consequences.
zaphod wrote:
Komen's 3k
Untouchable with the level of doping athletes can get away with now.
Women’s 400 and 800 are completely out of reach. Those records may stand for 100 years if they are not nullified (as they should be)
Powell’s 29’ 4 1/2” has already lasted longer than Beamon’s record.
Actually that sounds like a decent estimate.
If I look on youtube at the video of his race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNf6acRqHp8
Bekele seems to cross 8500m mark at around 22:25 [in the video at 6:41]
Oh Please wrote:
EssorLinki wrote:
Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
The 100m will be the hardest because of the type of event it is. No pacing, all out speed and technique. You have to be the best to get this one.
All distance records are hard, but with the right pacing I think it is possible to see those records go down. What would the record be if Bekele had 26 flat pacing for 8 or 9k for instance? I believe he had to run the last 5k alone.
I recall that Komen did indeed have superb pacing for most of his 3000, so that one might be the hardest because he was the best or right there, had great pacing and had great weather.
A record that doesn't get enough respect is the 2k record by El G. It works out to 3:49 pace. Pretty hard to beat that one I'd think. The 3000m is 3:56 pace.
Well, the argument can be made for the opposite. There are many sprint talents emerging right now - Anthony Schwartz, Marcellus Moore, Nyckoles Harbor, etc.
If they can progress and not just become another Sachin Dennis or Trayvon Bromell who were just phenoms and failed to meet their expectations we might be seeing some really fast 100m times in 3-5 years. They could run really fast just by themselves.
For 1500, 5k, 10k etc you NEED to find someone able to pace hard. With more doping controls now, it is almost impossible to find someone able to run evenly paced 12:37 5k pace for 10 laps/4k. Guerrouj benefited massively from Ngeny Noah, who was a century-talent (and might or might not have been doped), right now there is no one that could pace mile races like Noah did, except maybe Cheruiyot himself but he is the one that needs to be paced..
Most mile-10k races in the last few years have been very slow, pretty much eliminating the chance of a WR. Also, it is much harder to have technical improvements in a 10k than in sprinting, where new lifting/training methods or new material (speedsuits, etc) can help shave off some 100/seconds.
Oh Please wrote:
EssorLinki wrote:
Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
The 100m will be the hardest because of the type of event it is. No pacing, all out speed and technique. You have to be the best to get this one.
All distance records are hard, but with the right pacing I think it is possible to see those records go down. What would the record be if Bekele had 26 flat pacing for 8 or 9k for instance? I believe he had to run the last 5k alone.
I recall that Komen did indeed have superb pacing for most of his 3000, so that one might be the hardest because he was the best or right there, had great pacing and had great weather.
A record that doesn't get enough respect is the 2k record by El G. It works out to 3:49 pace. Pretty hard to beat that one I'd think. The 3000m is 3:56 pace.
You won't find any rabbit able to set that kind of pace and since the rabbits have to start the race like everyone, the conditions will be similar. Bekele may have run faster his 10k if he was not alone in the last 5k , but that would have been nearly impossible to find rabbit able to run at his pace for more than 5k. In his 5k record, his split went faster without the rabbits at he ran in negative split event before the last 1 000m.
I also don't see anyone to beat Bolt 100m record, Bolt looked so perfect and so unique in the 100m. It would take a new kind of sprinter to go as fast as him. Blake and Gay went 9:69, but it still look very far from 9:58 and they are not around anymore (Blake still is, but not in that kind of shape).
Also stop with EPO, it has been testable like the steroids since the end of the 90's.
EssorLinki wrote:
Rudisha 800m record or Bolt 200m record are not that far away.....
In your opinion:
Which record is the biggest achievement, the most impressive?
Which record is the one that will last the longest?
Wich record is the one that will be beaten first?
Jim Ryun's 3:51.1 on a cinder track, June 23, 1967.
subelite hobbyjogger wrote:
zaphod wrote:
Komen's 3k
Untouchable with the level of doping athletes can get away with now.
Women’s 400 and 800 are completely out of reach. Those records may stand for 100 years if they are not nullified (as they should be)
Powell’s 29’ 4 1/2” has already lasted longer than Beamon’s record.
Notwithstanding the possibility/probability that Naser is chemically enhanced, the w400 all time #3 was run less than a week ago.
A shooting star can beat the w800 record. It's a tragedy that Pamela Jelimo didn't get it.
Both records were set by dopers and are outrageous on paper they can be beaten.
Now the women's shot put and discus records really do look out of reach, which is desperately unfair for the likes of Valerie Adam and Sandra Perkovic.
9.58
serpentine sound wrote:
subelite hobbyjogger wrote:
Untouchable with the level of doping athletes can get away with now.
Women’s 400 and 800 are completely out of reach. Those records may stand for 100 years if they are not nullified (as they should be)
Powell’s 29’ 4 1/2” has already lasted longer than Beamon’s record.
Notwithstanding the possibility/probability that Naser is chemically enhanced, the w400 all time #3 was run less than a week ago.
A shooting star can beat the w800 record. It's a tragedy that Pamela Jelimo didn't get it.
Both records were set by dopers and are outrageous on paper they can be beaten.
Now the women's shot put and discus records really do look out of reach, which is desperately unfair for the likes of Valerie Adam and Sandra Perkovic.
If even a "male" female like Semenya could not get close, I doubt another woman would be able to beat the record. That's why I did not include women records in my thread. A lot of them are completely out of reach because doping had a much bigger effect on women.
Joyner record is also not going to get beat.